President Barack Obama!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Mr. Eastman,

This is more about jobs and navigating us out of Iraq. If you want a theocracy where your religious beliefs are represented in the government and policy, I think you should consider moving to a theocracy.

There will be no jobs?!?! there will be more welfare to take care of the jobless, but there will be no new jobs. Oh yeah, there may be new jobs, those created by big government spending which will require more of my hard earned money. They will raise taxes on big companies forcing more of them out of the country, I can't really blame them. They are about to tax me out the country. Isn't it funny, Detroit companies are being taxed out of the country, now the un-employment rate is up and the state government has raised taxes to pay the un-employment. Just a picture of whats coming the next 4 years.

Navigate us out of Iraq and the people we leave behind will be slaughtered, remember Vietnam??? I have read your countless opinions of the Iraqi war, your knowledge is less than adequate to properly evaluate the situation.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by scotty

There will be no jobs?!?! there will be more welfare to take care of the jobless, but there will be no new jobs. Oh yeah, there may be new jobs, those created by big government spending which will require more of my hard earned money. They will raise taxes on big companies forcing more of them out of the country, I can't really blame them. They are about to tax me out the country. Isn't it funny, Detroit companies are being taxed out of the country, now the un-employment rate is up and the state government has raised taxes to pay the un-employment. Just a picture of whats coming the next 4 years.

Navigate us out of Iraq and the people we leave behind will be slaughtered, remember Vietnam??? I have read your countless opinions of the Iraqi war, your knowledge is less than adequate to properly evaluate the situation.

Chris doesn't understand *clears throat* ahem! Brother Hall doesn't understand that the liberals are the ones who raise taxes and causes the rich to move their companies elsewhere in order to save on taxes, thus eliminating jobs not creating them. Chris ....oooops...... I mean Brother Hall, you seem to have all the answers, huh?

[ChristopherHall]

There will be no jobs?!?! there will be more welfare to take care of the jobless, but there will be no new jobs. Oh yeah, there may be new jobs, those created by big government spending which will require more of my hard earned money.

You obviously don’t live in Ohio. Look at it this way…if everything is beautiful and going great the American people will want to praise and hold on to this awesomely successful Bush strategies! But if the majority of American people are struggling and wanting to change direction they’ll vote Democratic. So if things are going so great…hey, sit back and just enjoy. But down in your heart you know things aren’t going well.

Bush cut established budgets and funding for projects like roads, highways, bridges, you know… infrastructure. This was among much of the funding he cut for the “tax cuts”. Much of this is in need of attention. By repealing much of the Bush tax cut they can go back to the old budget and there will be little need to increase the budget for these programs. Please note, these programs will be contracted out to private companies. So it will not only provide jobs, but it will give companies more income. When companies have more income, they stimulate the economy. Bro…you really need to stop listening to the Right Wing and learn about how things are done.

They will raise taxes on big companies forcing more of them out of the country, I can't really blame them.

Actually the bulk of the budget will not be established by “raising taxes”, it will be established by repealing the tax cuts and closing loopholes that allow companies to get out of paying taxes they’re already supposed to be paying. There will be some targeted tax hikes but nothing massive across the board. Dude, you need to study their plans.

To keep companies here we cut the tax breaks we give them for going overseas and participating in these global market schemes. Trust me...even with paying their fair share here they'll stay because unless they relocate to some godawful third world country they won't make any savings. In addition to cutting the tax breaks given to those who leave, you offer generous tax breaks to those who STAY. The breaks have to benefit the American people and the companies... not just the companies. Then you target heavier taxes on goods made overseas in the markets and cut the taxes on items made here. Tax breaks must benefit the home front. You make it more expensive to send jobs to China, Mexico, or India. If they want to participate in the largest market on earth...that's those are the rules.

They are about to tax me out the country.

Not really. Think about it. Your taxes haven’t increased anywhere near the rate that the cost of living is increasing. Gasoline costs have nearly tripled; health care premiums have almost doubled. The extra cost in fuel is causing the cost of food and commodities, goods & services to rise. It’s not taxes making life tight on you…it’s an unmanaged market with out of control inflation, rising debt, and devaluation on property and the dollar. At this rate they could cut your taxes significantly this year and in two years you’ll still be at a net loss. Anything you want to bet, unless your house is paid off or about to be paid off, you have negative equity. Meaning what you owe on your home loan is far more than what your house is actually worth. The bank is getting a windfall profit off the devaluation of your loan! A financial planner I was talking to said that at the current rate of increase in the cost of living, if sustained, in five years I’d be still at a net loss…if I didn’t pay taxes at all. Dude, you’re not being taxed out of the country…you’re being swept out of the country on a wave of ever increasing costs.

Just with health care…if the government increased our taxes $100 and negotiated our premiums down to $90 dollars a month in a universal health insurance plan…the average American family would save around $200 a month!

Isn't it funny, Detroit companies are being taxed out of the country, now the un-employment rate is up and the state government has raised taxes to pay the un-employment. Just a picture of whats coming the next 4 years.

Nope. The plan on the table repeals the federal tax cuts and restores the cut block grants that were taking care of infrastructures, state, and local issues. This funding will be used to higher contractors to restore roads, bridges, community centers, parks, down town areas, etc. This will generate jobs, pump more money into local industries, and these industries will operate in the local market and stimulate the local economy. So those on unemployment will have opportunities to get off unemployment and they too will be spending their livelihood in the local economy, thereby stimulating it and reducing the cost of unemployment, generating market forces creating more competition, and thereby reducing costs. It’s an economic stimulus package. If you’ve studied economics, bro you know how these work. They do quite well to get things moving again. Then when the market is moving nice and steady the government initiatives recede like the tide heading back out to sea. Then the markets coast until we begin to see it slow down again. If market forces don’t naturally generate a boost, taxes get cut. If that doesn’t generate the boost needed then the government launches another stimulus package to get it alive and kicking again. America’s most prosperous time of industry and manufacturing was after the depression, in the wake of the stimulus package.

Navigate us out of Iraq and the people we leave behind will be slaughtered, remember Vietnam??? I have read your countless opinions of the Iraqi war, your knowledge is less than adequate to properly evaluate the situation.

Only a nitwit would believe navigating us out of Iraq means leaving like we did in Vietnam. We need staged withdraws as we hand over power to the provisional Iraqi authorities.

Have you been following the reports out of the Pentagon? The effort is currently unsustainable at current funding and troop levels.

The Iraqi’s are just going to have to come together and work on preserving their freedoms and their democracy…we did. As long as we do their fighting and dying for them they’ll never feel that they own this new freedom we’ve fought to provide them. We will still help fund and train security operations. We will also have maintained regional presence prepared to respond to anything that endangers our interests. Most likely these US forces will be maintained in Saudi Arabia.

It’s time for Iraq to learn to walk on it’s own.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Chris doesn't understand *clears throat* ahem! Brother Hall doesn't understand that the liberals are the ones who raise taxes and causes the rich to move their companies elsewhere in order to save on taxes, thus eliminating jobs not creating them. Chris ....oooops...... I mean Brother Hall, you seem to have all the answers, huh?

Mr. Eastman,

It’s a balance of taxes and cost of living. You can cut taxes all day long…but if costs aren’t stabilized you’re paying just as much if not more. I’ve already illustrated how most American families would make money…even if the government increased taxes by $100 on every working American to fund a universal health insurance plan. The cost of co-pays, deductibles, and rising premiums would vanish. Only the taxed contribute and the negotiated premium would be paid…saving your hard earned money.

My wife and I worked out our budget. Compared to the costs of my family’s health insurance in the private sector…we’d SAVE an extra $180 or so a month if we moved to Canada. And that’s just in premiums! Without co-pays and high deductibles my family would even save more. LOL

So it’s a balancing act really.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

But down in your heart you know things aren’t going well.

No, I don't. You can't put words in my mouth. I am doing great, some things may not be going well, but democrats do not have the answer.

Bush cut established budgets and funding for projects like roads, highways, bridges, you know… infrastructure. This was among much of the funding he cut for the “tax cuts”.

These projects had huge funding during Clintons 8 years, what happen to all that money? It was sqandered. Wasted. Bushes cuts have made states be accountable for what they have and make due..

Much of this is in need of attention. By repealing much of the Bush tax cut they can go back to the old budget and there will be little need to increase the budget for these programs. Please note, these programs will be contracted out to private companies. So it will not only provide jobs, but it will give companies more income. When companies have more income, they stimulate the economy

Exactly, thats why tax cuts for these companies do the same, see that is the difference..cut their taxes so they can expand and grow, or raise taxes to fund government programs to give back to them to go back into the economy. Our way is simple, your way cost me money

. Bro…you really need to stop listening to the Right Wing and learn about how things are done.

whatever, just another wasted sentence at taking a shot at someone.

Actually the bulk of the budget will not be established by “raising taxes”, it will be established by repealing the tax cuts

This is typical liberal spin....its raising taxes , period , plain and simple.

and closing loopholes that allow companies to get out of paying taxes they’re already supposed to be paying. There will be some targeted tax hikes but nothing massive across the board. Dude, you need to study their plans.

To keep companies here we cut the tax breaks we give them for going overseas and participating in these global market schemes.

another liberal spin job, we are not rewarding them for going over seas, you know the really sad part is there are people actually ignorant enough to believe that garbage.

Trust me...

Not on your life,,,,nor with mine

Not really. Think about it. Your taxes haven’t increased anywhere near the rate that the cost of living is increasing.

I know , isn't it wonderful

Gasoline costs have nearly tripled; health care premiums have almost doubled. The extra cost in fuel is causing the cost of food and commodities, goods & services to rise.

Why is that? Tell me Chris, why can't we just drill all the oil we have here so we don't have to mess with OPEC? Oh yeah , the dems wont let us because they say they are worried about the enviournment..(whatever) California will not even build a new power plant because the enviormentalist are paying the dems too much to keep it out. As a result California is in debt to others states to provide them with power using the same means that they are against. Hmmmm how does that sound familiar.
California has been under democratic majority for over 20 years now. You want to see what kind of shape this country will be in under Democratic control? Take one look at the tax, economic and immoral cespool that is California and tell that is what you want for America.

It’s not taxes making life tight on you…

LIfe is not tight for me, *sigh*


Nope. The plan on the table repeals the federal tax cuts and restores the cut block grants that were taking care of infrastructures, state, and local issues. This funding will be used to higher contractors to restore roads, bridges, community centers, parks, down town areas, etc. This will generate jobs, pump more money into local industries, and these industries will operate in the local market and stimulate the local economy. So those on unemployment will have opportunities to get off unemployment and they too will be spending their livelihood in the local economy, thereby stimulating it and reducing the cost of unemployment, generating market forces creating more competition, and thereby reducing costs. It’s an economic stimulus package. If you’ve studied economics, bro you know how these work. They do quite well to get things moving again. Then when the market is moving nice and steady the government initiatives recede like the tide heading back out to sea.

But this never happens under Democratic control. Everyone says Bill had the budget perfect, the economy jumping, we were in surpluses....so when was the tax cuts coming...when was the wave going back out to sea? He never mentioned that once..

Only a nitwit would believe navigating us out of Iraq means leaving like we did in Vietnam. We need staged withdraws as we hand over power to the provisional Iraqi authorities.

No need in name calling there Chris, ...staged withdraws is already in the plan...mute point.

Like I have said , the dems will win and you will have your way, so why bother posting this garbage , nobody is buying it.....you could quietly vote in your liberal buddies, not tell anyone and still have a good standing with posters....right know your destroying your reputation for nothing...

[DividedThigh]

scotty, you are a good man, i hate to see you waste your energy, lol,dt

[scotty]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

scotty, you are a good man, i hate to see you waste your energy, lol,dt

I know, it just gets under my skin to see someone push this garbage and try to sell it to us like we are mindless idiots who don't know any better..You can take all the talking points from either side you want to , but when I look at the statistics of my life and the actual numbers it is nothing like what he is saying...they don't think people can be intellectuals , they think we are children who will just blindly take whatever they want to dish out...

Unfortunately they are mostly right, due to them having 98% of the news media in their pockets, most of the population believe this stuff..

I won't deny the conservatives are not offering much of a candidate either but he is better than Hillbama.

Here is the real funny part,,,,most on here believe liberally when it comes to their religous life but are freaking out because McCain may be too liberal for the Republican party....??

I truly do not believe that Republican party will allow McCain to just have his way...They didn't allow Bush to pass school vouchers and I thought that was an awesome idea...

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Mr. Eastman,

It’s a balance of taxes and cost of living. You can cut taxes all day long…but if costs aren’t stabilized you’re paying just as much if not more. I’ve already illustrated how most American families would make money…even if the government increased taxes by $100 on every working American to fund a universal health insurance plan. The cost of co-pays, deductibles, and rising premiums would vanish. Only the taxed contribute and the negotiated premium would be paid…saving your hard earned money.

My wife and I worked out our budget. Compared to the costs of my family’s health insurance in the private sector…we’d SAVE an extra $180 or so a month if we moved to Canada. And that’s just in premiums! Without co-pays and high deductibles my family would even save more. LOL

So it’s a balancing act really.

There will not be any companies left to "balance" as long as the Dems have anything to do with it. Not to worry Brother Hall, I know you're not really politically conservative. I understand you want a communistic state, and you want abortion rights, and you support the Gay agenda, otherwise you wouldn't vote the way you do. I'm not buying the stupidity that you're selling, good luck with that Chris....er umm... Brother Hall. God bless you my Holy Ghost filled Apostolic Veteran Brother.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by scotty

Like I have said , the dems will win and you will have your way, so why bother posting this garbage , nobody is buying it.....you could quietly vote in your liberal buddies, not tell anyone and still have a good standing with posters....right know your destroying your reputation for nothing...

He obviously doesn't care.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

scotty, you are a good man, i hate to see you waste your energy, lol,dt

LOL! Chris......er uumm...Brother Hall does a pretty snazzy job of that as well.