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Old 02-25-2008, 10:56 PM
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Well said, sir.
30 years ago the whole One World Government thing might have [understandably] seemed to be just a silly conspiracy theory, the product of a very overactive imagination.

Today, there are many leaders in politics, academia, civil service, government-related non profit groups, etc who have openly spoken and written about their desire to see a unified world government.

It's easy for people to brush it all off as "black helicopter" conspiracy theory, or portray it as being about just a group of "evil men in dark rooms plotting to take over the world", but that tends to be just an oversimplified caricature that largely ignores much of the factual information that's already out there on this issue.

Whatever one's particular prophetic bent (pretrib, post, midtrib, preterist, whatever...) any fair minded, objective individual informed of the facts should be able to acknowledge that the One World Government idea is one that's been advocated with increasing openness by a wide variety of influential people in our society.
Amen. And thank you.

We may not agree on politics, but I'm so thankful that you see it too.

And interestingly it's not just one political party in the US that is behind this. There are those sold out to these globalist efforts in both parties. They own McCain and Hillary can't be trusted to thwart them. Obama on the other hand is fresh and has them worried. They don't know how well they can control him. Obama may indeed turn out to be a man of the people. But only time will tell. All three, McCain, Hillary, and Obama may be in solid agreement with the globalist agenda. But Obama appears to stand out as the one most likely to break ranks with the powers that be and challenge the establishment if they get too agressive.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:57 PM
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I trust you are either kidding or at least don't expect to be treated seriously. You sound like some 19 year old College kid at Berkely after a few classes with left wing Professors.
Ouch.
Christopher, no offense but... if I may be frank, I must say CC1 is kinda right on that point. :O)

From what I've observed, your posts on political issues have a tendency to at times indicate an oversimplified, almost naive view of things, the kind normally seen in overzealous but unseasoned college students... at least as far as the rhetoric you tend to use.
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:05 PM
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Ouch.
Christopher, no offense but... if I may be frank, I must say CC1 is kinda right on that point. :O)

From what I've observed, your posts on political issues have a tendency to at times indicate an oversimplified, almost naive view of things, the kind normally seen in overzealous but unseasoned college students... at least as far as the rhetoric you tend to use.
Bro, I've posted entire policy papers on issues and I'm chided for my posts being too long. So yep...here I'm resorting to a bit of simplified rhetoric one can fit on a bumper sticker. lol
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Old 02-26-2008, 05:17 AM
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Simple fact is, there is no reason for the Dems to loose this election.

the ONLY thing that should be in Baraks way is his skin color. Or if it is Hillary, her gender.

It appears that as a nation, we might have moved past that bigotry which is a good thing.

But as it relates to this election cycle, we have never elected a president from the same party as a sitting president with an approval rating below 45%.

It simply is an insurmountable hill to climb.

It appears thatObama is about to be handed 4 years to do his deal. Lets just pray the dammage isnt too great.
This is why political conservatives in Ohio, Texas, and whatever other states have yet to hold their primary elections should get out there and vote for Hillary. There is no way she can win the general election. Even liberal men shudder and get a chill when they think about getting cozy with Hillary. While lots of women support her, mainly just because she's a woman, close to half have strong negatives. (that means hate her guts 'cause she's a back-stabbin shrew, for those of you in Rio Linda)

I'll tell you right now that I would vote for a black or a woman if I agreed with them politically. I don't need for my representative to look like me - just think like me.
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We will never know if torture would have prevented 9/11. However, we do know that numbers of individuals are tortured for information they don't know. That means men are tortured for virtually no reason. We know that when men are tortured they do not always provide reliable information because they often say anything to end the torture. Sometimes they are coerced into confessing that things are happening that aren't truly happening. It's a crime against humanity. We stand against foreign countries torturing Americans...therefore we have a moral responsibility to live up to being a more civilized and just civilization.
But what we DON't know is what has been prevented by torture>
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I think it is hilarious to see someone seriously writing things like "the one party facist agenda of the Republican party".

I trust you are either kidding or at least don't expect to be treated seriously. You sound like some 19 year old College kid at Berkely after a few classes with left wing Professors.
CC1, this has gone from a discussion to the absurd.

Not even Chris believes the junk he is throwing down. It is a charade. I think he thinks he is cute.

funny thing is, everyone here reads it and instead of seeing his joke, they see the rantings of a half mad mind starved for oxygen and IQ points.

It is sad really.
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But what we DON't know is what has been prevented by torture>
Monkeyman, here is the solid facts.

torture is not being used. Water Boarding is. regardless of our friends silly comments, there is no indication that any form of torture has been used or is even advocated.

As for Water Boarding, it has stopped at least 6 different attempts by terrorists on U.S. soil.

It has been used on a VERY small number of people, all of whom are known associates of Bin Ladin.
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CC1, this has gone from a discussion to the absurd.

Not even Chris believes the junk he is throwing down. It is a charade. I think he thinks he is cute.

funny thing is, everyone here reads it and instead of seeing his joke, they see the rantings of a half mad mind starved for oxygen and IQ points.

It is sad really.
hey ferd, to late on the iq points i allready took the test, lol,dt
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This is one of the big issues I have with what the fascists have done to the Republican Party and the conservative movement in general. They have taken an extremist position in which they have adopted a worldview of the end justifying the means. For example, it’s ok to standby and allow the torture of 50 people in Libya who have nothing to offer because of the mere chance of finding that one individual who might provide good information. That’s absolutely deplorable. There was a time when America wouldn’t stand for that. By adopting a pro-torture stance we legitimize the practice of torture thus expanding its implementation in nations where they were on the edge with the issue. By taking a pro-torture position we nearly guarantee that our forces will be even more brutally tortured if captured even in cases where their torture would have otherwise been unlikely. They can point to the US and say, “Look, the US allows torture. What have we done differently?” How can we hold Iran, China, or N. Korea in contempt for torturing prisoners if we do the same? Same with domestic spying, they are turning us into a police state in which they can spy on us, read our emails, tap our phones, monitor our bank accounts, etc. They are capitalizing in terror to advance their fascist agenda. The Neo-Con fascists that have hijacked the conservative movement and the Republican Party in their efforts to turn America into a rogue nation more akin to some third world dictatorship than a free nation that protects, defends, and stands for the highest ethics in regards to human rights.

Think about it…these guys socially conditioned us to embrace a pre-emptive invasion against a nation that didn’t attack us nor had connections with those who did. In the 80’s and 90’s such would have been unthinkable. They turned our attention from terrorism to eliminate a nation state that wasn’t cooperating with their scheme to consolidate resources, namely oil. The Republicans are figure heads. The real power brokers are unelected corporate, globalist, powers making proposals in closed door meetings and securing their no-bid contracts to manage their efforts. This isn’t a conspiracy theory…this is happening right out in the open. The real “useful idiots” are the puppets in they get into the executive office and the voters who will vote for them regardless their radical fascist agenda. These people realized that politicized religion indeed can be used as an opiate of the people to keep them mindlessly obedient. That’s why they specialize in their “culture war” and their re-constructionist, historical-revisionist, rhetoric. When they’re finished you’ll support globalist efforts to destabilize the American economy and redistribute our wealth and labor throughout the globe, you’ll support bankrupting the national treasury, massive corporate giveaways, no-bid contracts, war profiteering, torture, domestic spying, wiretapping, unchecked and unregulated corporate power, corporate political involvement, unregulated CEO salaries, utilitarianist Social Darwinism, and predatory health care that culls the sick and poor from our population.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." -- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
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