You seem to relegate fascism/communism to strictly economic differences. While I don't believe that the economic differences were all that distinct, and many times blurred, both are complete worldviews that are much more similar than they are different. Essentially it is differences of degree and not much in true substance.
Again in the end game both views stifle free thought and civil liberties ... but they remain distinct in their means and foundational views.
Some would say the religiously UCs and ULs are just mirror images of one another.
One is based on capitalist and nationalist views .... the other in leftist economic views ... We must keep in mind that socialism and communism in theory are economic counsins in their view ...
In practice ... totalitarianism rears it's ugly head in both extreme regimes
Ferd ... once again I am a fiscal and social conservative ... but to say that there are not Communists in the Democratic party and Fascists in the Republican party is missing it.
Dan, I have posted with you enough to know the statement here is true. I know you are a conservitive.
and I agree that there are progressives( read facists) in the Republican party.
Im not trying to score points bro. just trying to get clairity in what we are discussing.
I have been fed that line about Facism and Conservitism for a long time and just accepted it. Then a month or so ago, the subject came up on another form and I began to look into what was being said.
Turns out, while true, it doesnt relate exactly so simply when you are connecting it to the American political system.
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One is based on capitalist and nationalist views .... the other in leftist economic views ... We must keep in mind that socialism and communism in theory are economic counsins in their view ...
Their philosophic basis are essentially the same. They have the same religious presuppositions, that is salvation by the state. They used many of the same methods and had many of the same prejudices. One can't relegate the philosophy to just economic distinctives alone. BTW, in neither system did the populace have economic freedom.
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Their philosophic basis are essentially the same. They have the same religious presuppositions, that is salvation by the state. They used many of the same methods and had many of the same prejudices. One can't relegate the philosophy to just economic distinctives alone. BTW, in neither system did the populace have economic freedom.
You are speaking of totalitarianism, Dave. One can have the same objective but your means can be different.
Dan, I have posted with you enough to know the statement here is true. I know you are a conservitive.
and I agree that there are progressives( read facists) in the Republican party.
Im not trying to score points bro. just trying to get clairity in what we are discussing.
I have been fed that line about Facism and Conservitism for a long time and just accepted it. Then a month or so ago, the subject came up on another form and I began to look into what was being said.
Turns out, while true, it doesnt relate exactly so simply when you are connecting it to the American political system.
Ferd .. are you calling progressive Neo-Nazis and Arians in the Republican party progressives? Not sure if that's what you intended, is it? Did I misread?
Dan, I have posted with you enough to know the statement here is true. I know you are a conservitive.
and I agree that there are progressives( read facists) in the Republican party.
Im not trying to score points bro. just trying to get clairity in what we are discussing.
I have been fed that line about Facism and Conservitism for a long time and just accepted it. Then a month or so ago, the subject came up on another form and I began to look into what was being said.
Turns out, while true, it doesnt relate exactly so simply when you are connecting it to the American political system.
Ferd ... my position is this ...
extreme conservatism can result in fascism
extreme liberalism can result in socialism or communism
both use totalitarianism or Dave's Messiah theory to subjugate people.
The analogy would be that UCs and ULs usually end up in the same place ... cultic and proporting to be the possessors of ALL TRUTH.
Are all religious conservatives legalists ... probably not.
extreme conservatism can result in fascism
extreme liberalism can result in socialism or communism
both use totalitarianims or Dave's Messiah theory to subjugated people.
The analogy would be that UCs and ULs usually end up in the same place ... cultic and proporting to be the possessors of ALL TRUTH.
You are espousing the traditoinal theory that politics is a circle. Some would contend it is a straight line and that rather than facists being on the right they are really leftist as a large controlling central government is one of their main features.
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