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Old 02-11-2008, 11:44 AM
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Re: Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

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i agree, but think huckachuck is a fake, a populist, i dont trust him, mccain is ok but there are some things he does i dont like, lol, i guess nobody is perfect, but i can tell you i wont vote for a dem, not, lol,dt
My husband says that Huckabee is a goober. lol

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Old 02-11-2008, 12:09 PM
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This is a flat out lie.

I suspect you are simply repeating something you got in an email from somewhere, (I get junk like that from Democrats.com on a regular basis)

the FACT is, under Bill Clinton there was a rule change that prevented the CIA and FBI from communicating. That blocked information that the CIA had on some of the 9/11 hijackers from reaching the FBI.

When the Bush admin changed that rule in the wake of 9/11, dems still cried about it.
President Clinton led the fight against terrorism over strong opposition from Republicans in Congress and the pro-Republican Media. Here's a long list of accomplishments against terrorism for which the Clinton Administration gets almost no credit, in contrast to the record of the Bush administration.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, in the first year of his administration, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpetrators of the 1993 WTC bombing were caught and punished. The blind Mullah ring-leader was already in jail, and was retried for the attack. His helpers were caught and tried, and they were sentenced to life in prison. That's called decisive action, as opposed to Republican hot air.

After the first 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpretrators of the bombings in Saudi Arabia were caught, most likely with CIA help. Saudi Arabia had them beheaded.

In 1996 President Clinton pushed hard for anti-terrorism legislation and the Republican controlled Congress pushed just as hard to frustrate his efforts. See CNN.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpretrators of the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings were captured, and are now in jail for life.
Also, when President Clinton learned that Osam Bin Laden was having a top-level Al Qaeda leadership meeting in Afghanistan he ordered the site bombed and came very close to preventing the bombing of the World Trade Centers on 9/11/2001. And the response of the Republican leadership and the entire mainstream media was: "Bill Clinton, don't you dare try to "wag the dog", and distract us with all this nonsense about some far away terrorist! What America needs to attend to is the stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress."
There were several known terrorist attempts were thwarted un Bill Clinton's watch:
# an attempt to blow up the Holland Tunnel,
# an attempt to blow up the Lincoln Tunnel,
# an attempt on the life of the Pope,
# an attempt to blow up the L.A.X airport.
# Two attempts over the Millennium weekend to plant bombs in cites in the Northeast and the Northwest of the United States.

Also consider the following…
The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA. When Republicans couldn't prevent executive action, President Clinton:

Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator.

- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.

The first serious terror threat on our soil during the Bush’s Presidency left us with over 3,000 Americans dead.

Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).

Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.

Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.

Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.

Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries
Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.

Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"

Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "

Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."

I'm not a HUGE Clinton fan, but compared to Bush...well...I'll leave that one alone. lol
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Also consider that, in stark contrast to Clinton’s record with terror (listed above), this is part of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record before September 11, 2001:

- Backed off Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts.
- Shelved the Hart-Rudman report.
- Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney. Group did not even meet before 9/11.
- Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense.
- Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department.
- Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger, Louis Freeh, George Tennant, Paul Bremer, and Richard Clarke about the urgency of terrorist threats.
- Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.
- Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by hijack of an airliner almost certain.
- Bush - knowing about the terrorists' plans to attack in America, warned that terrorists were in flight schools in the US - took a four week vacation.
- By failing to order any coordination of intelligence data, missed opportunity to stop the 9/11 plot as Clinton-Gore had stopped the millennium plots.
On 9/11
- our Air National Defense was directed to stand down.
- the two fighter jets that were scrambled flew out to sea, away from Washington and New York and the attacking air liners.
- After one of four airliners had crashed into the World Trade Center and 3 more airliners were still heading toward critical targets, the President continued to read "My Pet Goat" to third graders, claiming that he didn't want to scare them, and then had them gather around for his press conference to hear the dreadful news strait from the horse's mouth.

The attacks on 9/11 took place during Bush’s watch for a reason. The took place because…they could.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:13 PM
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Re: Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

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Also consider that, in stark contrast to Clinton’s record with terror (listed above), this is part of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record before September 11, 2001:

- Backed off Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts.
- Shelved the Hart-Rudman report.
- Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney. Group did not even meet before 9/11.
- Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense.
- Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department.
- Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger, Louis Freeh, George Tennant, Paul Bremer, and Richard Clarke about the urgency of terrorist threats.
- Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.
- Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by hijack of an airliner almost certain.
- Bush - knowing about the terrorists' plans to attack in America, warned that terrorists were in flight schools in the US - took a four week vacation.
- By failing to order any coordination of intelligence data, missed opportunity to stop the 9/11 plot as Clinton-Gore had stopped the millennium plots.
On 9/11
- our Air National Defense was directed to stand down.
- the two fighter jets that were scrambled flew out to sea, away from Washington and New York and the attacking air liners.
- After one of four airliners had crashed into the World Trade Center and 3 more airliners were still heading toward critical targets, the President continued to read "My Pet Goat" to third graders, claiming that he didn't want to scare them, and then had them gather around for his press conference to hear the dreadful news strait from the horse's mouth.

The attacks on 9/11 took place during Bush’s watch for a reason. The took place because…they could.
what a bunch of garbage, lol,dt
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:14 PM
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Re: Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

Also check this out...

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President wants Senate to hurry with new anti-terrorism laws
July 30, 1996
Web posted at: 8:40 p.m. EDT
http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton urged Congress Tuesday to act swiftly in developing anti-terrorism legislation before its August recess. (1.6 MB AIFF or WAV sound)

"We need to keep this country together right now. We need to focus on this terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference.

But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures.

Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, doubted that the Senate would rush to action before they recess this weekend. The Senate needs to study all the options, he said, and trying to get it done in the next three days would be tough.

One key GOP senator was more critical, calling a proposed study of chemical markers in explosives "a phony issue."

Taggants value disputed
Clinton said he knew there was Republican opposition to his proposal on explosive taggants, but it should not be allowed to block the provisions on which both parties agree.

"What I urge them to do is to be explicit about their disagreement, but don't let it overcome the areas of agreement," he said.

The president emphasized coming to terms on specific areas of disagreement would help move the legislation along. The president stressed it's important to get the legislation out before the weekend's recess, especially following the bombing of Centennial Olympic Park and the crash of TWA Flight 800.

"The most important thing right now is that they get the best, strongest bill they can out -- that they give us as much help as they can," he said.

Hatch blasts 'phony' issues
Republican leaders earlier met with White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta for about an hour in response to the president's call for "the very best ideas" for fighting terrorism.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, emerged from the meeting and said, "These are very controversial provisions that the White House wants. Some they're not going to get."

Hatch called Clinton's proposed study of taggants -- chemical markers in explosives that could help track terrorists -- "a phony issue."

"If they want to, they can study the thing" already, Hatch asserted. He also said he had some problems with the president's proposals to expand wiretapping.

Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said it is a mistake if Congress leaves town without addressing anti-terrorism legislation. Daschle is expected to hold a special meeting on the matter Wednesday with Congressional leaders.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Many of the antiterror measures Clinton wanted were resisted by the Republican Congress. After 9/11 the Republicanns implimented those policies as part of the Patriot Act. Who knows...maybe they shouldn't have resisted them when Clinton pushed for them.
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Re: Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

I remember in the year of 72 I believe it was my husbands kin folks in Chile wanting the people's party government to win...along with thousands and thousands...it did not matter to them that the party laughed at God and His plan...the party got in all right...and the rest is history...I remember standing in lines all day long with a little red card trying to buy milk...everything was rationed...churches were being closed, hatred toward americans on every con=rner... and on and on...
americans do not realize how in one day everything can drasticclly chage.
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Clinton sold a ton of our military secrets to China.

Proven fact.

China operatives financed his campaigns.
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Clinton sold a ton of our military secrets to China.

Proven fact.

China operatives financed his campaigns.
Please provide verifiable sources.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:18 PM
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President Clinton led the fight against terrorism over strong opposition from Republicans in Congress and the pro-Republican Media. Here's a long list of accomplishments against terrorism for which the Clinton Administration gets almost no credit, in contrast to the record of the Bush administration.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, in the first year of his administration, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpetrators of the 1993 WTC bombing were caught and punished. The blind Mullah ring-leader was already in jail, and was retried for the attack. His helpers were caught and tried, and they were sentenced to life in prison. That's called decisive action, as opposed to Republican hot air.

After the first 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpretrators of the bombings in Saudi Arabia were caught, most likely with CIA help. Saudi Arabia had them beheaded.

In 1996 President Clinton pushed hard for anti-terrorism legislation and the Republican controlled Congress pushed just as hard to frustrate his efforts. See CNN.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpretrators of the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings were captured, and are now in jail for life.
Also, when President Clinton learned that Osam Bin Laden was having a top-level Al Qaeda leadership meeting in Afghanistan he ordered the site bombed and came very close to preventing the bombing of the World Trade Centers on 9/11/2001. And the response of the Republican leadership and the entire mainstream media was: "Bill Clinton, don't you dare try to "wag the dog", and distract us with all this nonsense about some far away terrorist! What America needs to attend to is the stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress."
There were several known terrorist attempts were thwarted un Bill Clinton's watch:
# an attempt to blow up the Holland Tunnel,
# an attempt to blow up the Lincoln Tunnel,
# an attempt on the life of the Pope,
# an attempt to blow up the L.A.X airport.
# Two attempts over the Millennium weekend to plant bombs in cites in the Northeast and the Northwest of the United States.

Also consider the following…
The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA. When Republicans couldn't prevent executive action, President Clinton:

Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator.

- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.

The first serious terror threat on our soil during the Bush’s Presidency left us with over 3,000 Americans dead.

Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).

Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.

Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.

Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.

Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries
Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.

Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"

Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "

Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."

I'm not a HUGE Clinton fan, but compared to Bush...well...I'll leave that one alone. lol
It looks like you and Chris are drinking the same cyanide.

Bill Clinton bears direct responsibility for the 9/11 attack. Bill Clinton LED? REALLY? you really want to stand by that statement?

If so, then I consider your crediblilty to be less than ZERO and MUCH LESS than HONEST.

You say Bill Clinton LED, then you say you arent a HUGE Clinton fan?

I dont believe you on either point.

but hey, you did put a bunch of letters together before you hit 'submit reply'

I guess that counts for something.
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It looks like you and Chris are drinking the same cyanide.

Bill Clinton bears direct responsibility for the 9/11 attack. Bill Clinton LED? REALLY? you really want to stand by that statement?

If so, then I consider your crediblilty to be less than ZERO and MUCH LESS than HONEST.

You say Bill Clinton LED, then you say you arent a HUGE Clinton fan?

I dont believe you on either point.

but hey, you did put a bunch of letters together before you hit 'submit reply'

I guess that counts for something.
Refute the facts or provide sources indicating other wise. Please don't personally insult people.
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