Your Predictions for the coming elections???

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by scotty

All that was just what it looked like, a whole lot of talk with very little substance....matter of fact it looks alot like something I saw on a liberal website...you wouldn't be a fellow copy paster would you..?

Yes, but it was from a .pdf document I had downloaded to study. You say these measures have very little substance...BUT in Europe they have similar measures in countries like the Netherlands, and they have the lowest abortion rate on earth even though abortion is legal in their countries.

Abortion isn't going away in America. It's here to stay. Even if we voted in Republican after Republican and stacked the entire court with conservative justices they will decide on the side of choice. That's just the way it is. No democratic nation has outlawed abortion after making it legal. This is a loosing battle. And even IF a miracle happened and we banned abortion today...tomorrow we would face a tidal wave of challenges and legal battles until they win choice back. The war will never end. Meanwhile why we're fighting over how abortion is defined on paper, the abortion rate doesn't change....or worse...it climbs. If the Netherlands and other Western European countries can implement measures such as these and lower their abortion rates to the lowest in the world...why can't we? I'll tell you why...those who say they're pro-life really don't care about life...they care about winning a political battle. That's all. For them it's just politics. That's why when someone says their pro-life...but they don't believe in covering these families with health insurance, or they don't believe in measures that will reduce the abortion rate, I'm not impressed. I realize to them it's all about what it says on paper. They're not willing to go beyond the debate to do what needs to be done. Newsflash...these measures would be needed even IF abortion were banned because the abortion rate would NOT decrease on it's own. For example TODAY the abortion rate in America is LOWER than it was when abortion was ILLEGAL. Yes...today there is less abortion than in the late 60's early 70's...and abortion is legal. We have to graduate and grow beyond the debate and come together to reduce the abortion rates even more.

Why can't we have the right as citizens to determine ourselves whether or not we want Universal Health Care? How about we put that on the ballot in November. Wouldn't that be the fair thing to do? Majority rules. Why should the government have free reign to tax me for things I don't want.?

Why don't more of us just choose not to pay for health insurance and jack up your premiums a little more? We'd save a buck and you'd pay more. In a universal health care system everyone would pay something into the system. Why do you want to pay more in premiums for someone who's paying nothing into the system instead of everyone paying less in taxes with negotiated perscription costs in universal coverage? Why do you think it's fair that millions of Americans choose not to have health insurance and so we who do have to pay extra in inflated premiums to pay their bills for them? Hey...you're paying more right now. If everyone paid into a system with negotiated prices it wouldn't cost as much as what we're paying now.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AJBC

Yep. I read that too....it gave alot of insight on the man....kind of scary...

Dude...those are urban legends. lol They were thoroughly debunked by Snopes and FactCheck.

[Aquila]

Interesting video:

http://www.democratsforlife.org/inde...d=51&Itemid=45

The Republicans don't want you to know that Pro-Life Democrats are building a consensus with Pro-Choice Democrats aimed at how to actually reduce abortions in America. The Republicans want to just talk about banning abortion and nothing else. Those who really care about saving lives here and now have realized that there's more than one way to skin a cat. This Pro-Life initiaive is widely supported by even Pro-Choice Democrats and is the foundation behind the current “Reducing the Need for Abortion and Supporting Parents Act”.

The Republicans don't want you to know anything about this. How..."pro-life"... of them.

[ManOfWord]

I predict that we'll all have to get used to saying "President Obama!"

Not that I like that, but I'm afraid that will happen. Not prophesyin' just predictin'.

[Aquila]

I think it's just too close to really tell but I do have the feeling that there will be a Democrat in the White House.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by StMark

so far this is what I predict:


Hillary / Barak for the Democrats

McCain / Huckabee (or Gullioni)



who do you predict will win and who are you voting for ?????


I still predict the Dems are going to win in november

I predict that there will be an election

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Abortion isn't going away in America. It's here to stay.

This one I will give you. But government can not solve it either nor make it better. We have become too immoral of a nation. More so than overseas.

Why don't more of us just choose not to pay for health insurance and jack up your premiums a little more? We'd save a buck and you'd pay more. In a universal health care system everyone would pay something into the system. Why do you want to pay more in premiums for someone who's paying nothing into the system instead of everyone paying less in taxes with negotiated perscription costs in universal coverage? Why do you think it's fair that millions of Americans choose not to have health insurance and so we who do have to pay extra in inflated premiums to pay their bills for them? Hey...you're paying more right now. If everyone paid into a system with negotiated prices it wouldn't cost as much as what we're paying now.

All of this is exactly what I don't want. Negotiated prices means negotiated services. Ever heard of HMO?. No, I don't want the government telling me when and where and how much health care I can or can not get. Look at the IRS, the education dept., the welfare dept. Social Security. Why would you think I want them running my health care? And premiums went up initionally due to greedy lawsuits back about 10 yrs ago, only now are we looking at the long term results. Don't start another Democratic "gimme program" just because you don't want to make your trial lawyer lobby mad. Regulation can work with out taxing everyone to death.

Thats the governments job, protect us from the evils of the world, be it other countries or the evils here. But its not to dictate our lives for us. It was not formed so we could pay it to provide for us as it sees fit. It was formed because that was the life the founders fought to get away from. It was formed so we could live with the freedom to provide for ourselves as we see fit.

You can list all the statistics you want, but if it puts us back to where we were pre-America then what have you gained? This is what it comes down to and what you can't argue with. You talk about the Republicans being bad by wanting globalization while in the same sentence supporting Democrats because they want to change our policies to be like other countries in the world ?

If you start to notice a foul smell like your nose up someones rearend it is because you just circled around and come up behind yourself.


(The Reality of it All: The dems will win the white house, and might even get away with all this universal stuff. They will also further our position in the UN towards creating a NWO. While I argue against it, I accept it also simply because it is all a sign of the times)

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by scotty

All that was just what it looked like, a whole lot of talk with very little substance....matter of fact it looks alot like something I saw on a liberal website...you wouldn't be a fellow copy paster would you..?

Why can't we have the right as citizens to determine ourselves whether or not we want Universal Health Care? How about we put that on the ballot in November. Wouldn't that be the fair thing to do? Majority rules. Why should the government have free reign to tax me for things I don't want.?

What I've read on the Healthcare issue is that many Americans are healthy and that is the reason they are not covered. They know that if something catastrophic happens it will go beyond their coverage so they opt out.

I know of companies that have stopped covering the "emergency room" issues. Mainly, because when you are covered you will take advantage of that even if you don't really need it. It was a waste of money. They do cover for broken bones, etc.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm listening to Limbaugh rant right now. lol This guy's a complete wacko. lol

You know who is wacko? Paul Begala! Now that is a wacko!

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Diamond Jim

Are you pro abortion?

There is no more prolife or prochoice in this country. It is a matter of your perosnal actions.

Politicians use that to sway voters.

It simply will never be overturned it is a locked issue...