Flirt To Convert???

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I was kidding.......

So was I....

[Ron]

When I came to the Lord 25 years ago this March not only was God drawing & dealing with me but I came to service & looked around & saw all these "nice chicks" around & thought I must be dreaming!
Came to find out later most of them were married-but I stayed & found my own "Church's Chick!"

Flirt to convert-=no.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Bad idea. A former pastor of mine, not in my current location, suggested that I do this. Crazy. Everyone else in the church had, but then had backslidden...and he apparently hadn't noticed the connection. I said, no thanks.

Wow! This is new to me. I cannot believe this is actually occuring with 'approval' from 'the pastor.' Talk about being out of the loop; I guess I am.

When I was first saved, we did door knocking and home Bible studies. These worked and made some lasting results for souls. I really do not see how flirting with someone to win them will work. Your post really confirmed this. Thanks!

[RandyWayne]

There was another cult (who's name escapes me) that used to call it "Flirty Fishing". If someone can't see how ludicrous the idea is, there are some other big problems with them.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

There was another cult (who's name escapes me) that used to call it "Flirty Fishing". If someone can't see how ludicrous the idea is, there are some other big problems with them.

Maybe we could call it Evangelistic Dating.

[mfblume]

Nutty.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

I saw an article on a Vineyard website that had to do with Apostolic Pentecostalism, and they were writing about us being a cult and whatnot. Anyways, I saw that they had mentioned something about flirty fishing and that UPC kids, supposedly went to trinity Pentecost churches to win their youth via flirty fishing (which was rediculous, although UPC youth did a lot of flirting it was mainly just among themselves, anyways....). I wrote an e-mail to the man who wrote this article after I had become Oneness and told him that the flirty fishing thing he mentioned was really offensive. The doctrinal differences are fine to go and argue, but they attacked our youth, so I wrote back. Here was part of his e-mail back to me:

Alex,

What you have shared is what you testify to from your own experiences in the couple of years you've been around UPC. Others have gotten to see things over the years. So, because you haven't seen what we do, you imply we must therefore be liars. What we have posted is not a smear on UPC but a warning about them which you would have done well to take heed to.

The flirty fishing mentioned to in our article is something that has been
witnessed to. You don't honestly expect UPC youth to readily admit their
flirtiness, do you?

The way we've seen UPC girls flirt with Pentecostal boys to have them come to their church was paramount to slumming. So who is your girlfriend at the UPC church you look forward to seeing? (This was really offensive to me, personally, because there were no girls at the UPC church I went to, except for my sister, and I have never [and hopefully will never] date a UPC girl)

We didn't even mention the widespread spiritual, physical and sexual abuse of a wide number of UPC ministers of women. It was deemed to intense for the
respectable article we have posted.

There are communities of Christians on the web and elsewhere who have gathered together to console each other from the abuse they have gotten in UPC. They are ex-UPC members.

I was most disappointed at the minister who was in the video and was joking around about flirty fishing. The youth were bad enough, but then to think that their pastor or youth pastor was joking about it, there and allowing this foolishness was really shameful. Honestly, if I were a parent and had my kids in that youth group we'd find another church- OVER THAT INCIDENT ALONE! My question is when is GOD going to start smitting people down for this sort of foolishness! O the fool and his folly!

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

[Praxeas]

I think it's carnal....sends the wrong message to other youth and to sinners

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I saw an article on a Vineyard website that had to do with Apostolic Pentecostalism, and they were writing about us being a cult and whatnot. Anyways, I saw that they had mentioned something about flirty fishing and that UPC kids, supposedly went to trinity Pentecost churches to win their youth via flirty fishing (which was rediculous, although UPC youth did a lot of flirting it was mainly just among themselves, anyways....). I wrote an e-mail to the man who wrote this article after I had become Oneness and told him that the flirty fishing thing he mentioned was really offensive. The doctrinal differences are fine to go and argue, but they attacked our youth, so I wrote back. Here was part of his e-mail back to me:

Alex,

What you have shared is what you testify to from your own experiences in the couple of years you've been around UPC. Others have gotten to see things over the years. So, because you haven't seen what we do, you imply we must therefore be liars. What we have posted is not a smear on UPC but a warning about them which you would have done well to take heed to.

The flirty fishing mentioned to in our article is something that has been
witnessed to. You don't honestly expect UPC youth to readily admit their
flirtiness, do you?

The way we've seen UPC girls flirt with Pentecostal boys to have them come to their church was paramount to slumming. So who is your girlfriend at the UPC church you look forward to seeing? (This was really offensive to me, personally, because there were no girls at the UPC church I went to, except for my sister, and I have never [and hopefully will never] date a UPC girl)

We didn't even mention the widespread spiritual, physical and sexual abuse of a wide number of UPC ministers of women. It was deemed to intense for the
respectable article we have posted.

There are communities of Christians on the web and elsewhere who have gathered together to console each other from the abuse they have gotten in UPC. They are ex-UPC members.

I was most disappointed at the minister who was in the video and was joking around about flirty fishing. The youth were bad enough, but then to think that their pastor or youth pastor was joking about it, there and allowing this foolishness was really shameful. Honestly, if I were a parent and had my kids in that youth group we'd find another church- OVER THAT INCIDENT ALONE! My question is when is GOD going to start smitting people down for this sort of foolishness! O the fool and his folly!

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

I think this "guy" is biased and possibly exaggerating or making it up....I say that not because it never happens but he seems to be embellishing and making generalized statements and unsubstantiated statements like the

the widespread spiritual, physical and sexual abuse of a wide number of UPC ministers of women.

Does it happen? I have no doubt it happens everywhere. But to say it like this, widespread sexual abuse of UPC Ministers? I don't see any widespread stuff like that happening. That is not saying it does not happen, but this seems to be an embellishment

[mfblume]

This "flirt to convert" is a young person's fantasized excuse of continuing to flirt using Christ. Come on, we were all young, and know how these things are concocted. lol