Pastor forced to leave by cops @Tulsa Meeting

[rgcraig]

Sis Falla -- we've been missing you!

[RevBuddy]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

This is utter nonsense and TOTALLY untrue.

There were many there that are against the use of video.

You've got to be kidding me??? And THE ISSUE is CONTROL!! Nothing more; nothing less.

[RevBuddy]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I believe they have a very pure motive and that is to have a fellowship of like minded men with whom to fellowship. I was at the meeting and these men where very humble and there was no bad attitudes.

This pure motive of which you speak must be an unethical one...very strange bedfellows, if you asked me...

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

You've got to be kidding me??? And THE ISSUE is CONTROL!! Nothing more; nothing less.

I honestly think it's a combination of both. Although I may personally feel that their convictions are misguided, I'm sure they don't. I'm not sure the ratio, but I'd have a hard time saying this is purely, 100% about politics.

However, I do remember in 1992 when the shoe was on the other foot, and several left the UPC in protest over the affirmation statement, they were considered backslidden and there wasn't nearly as much leniency granted them for leaving over THEIR personal convictions.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I honestly think it's a combination of both. Although I may personally feel that their convictions are misguided, I'm sure they don't. I'm not sure the ratio, but I'd have a hard time saying this is purely, 100% about politics.

However, I do remember in 1992 when the shoe was on the other foot, and several left the UPC in protest over the affirmation statement, they were considered backslidden and there wasn't nearly as much leniency granted them for leaving over THEIR personal convictions.

Brother, a major difference between these men and many of the 1992 emigrants is that many of them very quickly dropped their standards and changed their doctrine.

Not so with these men.

Their message and lifestyle is unchanged.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

JM, you are quickly cutting off the hand that could feed you. I dare say the churches you can evangelize in will dimish quickly..... but carry on for all the 40 or so new members who will read your posts here.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

JM, you are quickly cutting off the hand that could feed you. I dare say the churches you can evangelize in will dimish quickly..... but carry on for all the 40 or so new members who will read your posts here.

I daresay you are right.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Brother, a major difference between these men and many of the 1992 emigrants is that many of them very quickly dropped their standards and changed their doctrine.

Not so with these men.

Their message and lifestyle is unchanged.

The why's and wherefore's are inconsequential, my friend. The reason for leaving was the same - new policy violated existing convictions.

The resistance that many of the 1992 "defectors" felt came way before they changed their official stance.

It's the same old song and dance, in my book. A preacher can get up at a General conference, or camp meeting, or any other type of meeting, and preach his personal convictions as far to the right as he cares to, and people will still accept him in the fellowship. However, if a man dares preach a bit to the left, he's blackballed.

I'm not bitter about it, it's just the way it is.

And, I think we're seeing it here as well.

Folks leave because the UPC has gone to the "left" in their opinion, and they are considered martyrs for the faith.

Folks leave because the UPC has gone a bit too far "right" and they are ostracized and considered backsliders.

Just my humble opinion........

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

If you are speaking of the Tulsa 6 there is NOT a chance that it is about conviction. It is absolutely 100% about control and men having power.

I want to address this, because the accusation of these men being control hungry keeps coming up.

From my understanding of reading on this, the formation of this org is set up as such that there are "term limits" on the leadership. Of the Executive Committee, every year, one of the originals will be removed by lot every year, and cannot hold a position for at least one year. This assures that there will be no "Original 6" keeping control in the org.

So tell me, If this is all about control and position, why would the Original 6 create bylaws that will in effect take them out of the leadership position after so long?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I want to address this, because the accusation of these men being control hungry keeps coming up.

From my understanding of reading on this, the formation of this org is set up as such that there are "term limits" on the leadership. Of the Executive Committee, every year, one of the originals will be removed by lot every year, and cannot hold a position for at least one year. This assures that there will be no "Original 6" keeping control in the org.

So tell me, If this is all about control and position, why would the Original 6 create bylaws that will in effect take them out of the leadership position after so long?

That is a good question.

I have wondered the same thing, but really, it wouldn't matter what these men did, they are still the root of all evil to a certain element.

It's funny to me how the UPC can be the great Satan around here until the WWPF comes along, and now all of a sudden they want to defend the old Mothership like they wish they'd never left.