Reminds me of why I oppose death penalty in Texas

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Personally I think it was a case of mistaken identity. False memory created when shown photo lineup. (He looks familiar and since the police are showing me those pictures it must be one of them). The false memory phenomenon is even more pronounced in child molestation cases.

One reason for not making rape a death penalty case is the theory the rapist would have NOTHING to lose to killing the victim, since he is facing death anyway.

Okay, I hadn't thought of the first part of your response. As for the second part sadly all too often they do kill them anyway.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

In the OT economy was capitol punishment wrong?

I am not sure. But remember Moses ran away after killing a man, probably to escape punishment. Of course back then they had the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And it might follow that thieves had their hands cut off, and killers probably were killed.

But they also had safe cities for criminals to run to where they couldn't be punished or killed. If they made it they were safe, if not I guess they had some type of punishment system in place for them.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Okay, I hadn't thought of the first part of your response. As for the second part sadly all too often they do kill them anyway.

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I am not sure. But remember Moses ran away after killing a man, probably to escape punishment. Of course back then they had the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And it might follow that thieves had their hands cut off, and killers probably were killed.

But they also had safe cities for criminals to run to where they couldn't be punished or killed. If they made it they were safe, if not I guess they had some type of punishment system in place for them.

True, even if once it would be too often. But murder in the course of a felony would make it capital offense...

Yes it appears that some are unable to get past Jesus changing the Christian's conduct from eye for an eye to turn the other cheek.

As the article points out, contrary to what the public perceives often eye witness testimony is not the most reliable.

Another interesting trivia twist is in US jurisprudence you can be put to death with one eyewitness, I believe in the OT in required a minimum of two reliable eyewitnesses.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I am not sure. But remember Moses ran away after killing a man, probably to escape punishment. Of course back then they had the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And it might follow that thieves had their hands cut off, and killers probably were killed.

But they also had safe cities for criminals to run to where they couldn't be punished or killed. If they made it they were safe, if not I guess they had some type of punishment system in place for them.

Seems that those who are against the death penalty fly in the face of Scripture. Seems that God thought it was appropriate. It's interesting how God demanded that at times all of a city, or people, are to be wiped out. Even 'innocent' children and women.....Oh I forgot. That's a different God. The old testament God.

[Cindy]

Well I am not arguing for or against the death penalty. But I do live in TX and we have a high percentage of actual death sentences carried out. But I also know that our prisons here are very overcrowded. And expensive to run. I do not want repeat rapist, murderers, thieves, child molesters (killers) in my community without knowledge that they are there. I live in a small town and they at one time put pictures and names and addresses of convicted sex offenders (especially of children) in the paper. You can also go to our state police website and find them there. That being said the biggest problem in our rural area is drugs. Especially Meth labs., crack and other drugs. The saddest thing to me is that a lot of the ones that get arrested are people 50 and older. I just don't understand what could be worth the penalty if you get caught of doing this.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Seems that those who are against the death penalty fly in the face of Scripture. Seems that God thought it was appropriate. It's interesting how God demanded that at times all of a city, or people, are to be wiped out. Even 'innocent' children and women.....Oh I forgot. That's a different God. The old testament God.

Same God, different dispensation.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Well I am not arguing for or against the death penalty. But I do live in TX and we have a high percentage of actual death sentences carried out. But I also know that our prisons here are very overcrowded. And expensive to run. I do not want repeat rapist, murderers, thieves, child molesters (killers) in my community without knowledge that they are there. I live in a small town and they at one time put pictures and names and addresses of convicted sex offenders (especially of children) in the paper. You can also go to our state police website and find them there. That being said the biggest problem in our rural area is drugs. Especially Meth labs., crack and other drugs. The saddest thing to me is that a lot of the ones that get arrested are people 50 and older. I just don't understand what could be worth the penalty if you get caught of doing this.

In old England for instance, all felonies where death penalty offenses. Be they murder or killing the king's deer.

In US jurisprudence, a death penalty can only occur in the case of a murder, with special circumstances. All murders are not created equal.

There are those who apparently wish to argue the theory of the death penalty, but simply refuse to acknowledge the inherent weaknesses of the system of jurisprudence which applies it. Particularly in Texas.

The state sponsored death of a single innocent person is an abomination.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

In old England for instance, all felonies where death penalty offenses. Be they murder or killing the king's deer.

In US jurisprudence, a death penalty can only occur in the case of a murder, with special circumstances. All murders are not created equal.

There are those who apparently wish to argue the theory of the death penalty, but simply refuse to acknowledge the inherent weaknesses of the system of jurisprudence which applies it. Particularly in Texas.

The state sponsored death of a single innocent person is an abomination.

I understand about capital murders. Like murder in the commision of a felony such as kidnapping, armed robbery, home invasion, or murdering a peace officer. I do agree that if one innocent person is put to death by the state it is wrong. In the case of rape though usually there IS only ONE witness. Now in most places do they show the victim pictures or do they still do the lineup thing?

Do you still practice law JG?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I understand about capital murders. Like murder in the commision of a felony such as kidnapping, armed robbery, home invasion, or murdering a peace officer. I do agree that if one innocent person is put to death by the state it is wrong. In the case of rape though usually there IS only ONE witness. Now in most places do they show the victim pictures or do they still do the lineup thing?

Do you still practice law JG?

Both are valid, photo line ups are the easiest and most cost effective therefore real lineups are rarely used these days.

I am still licensed yes. Rarely do criminal anymore. Actually trying to get more into shall we say church law.

:-)

[sherr34]

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