Sis I feel like you have personal link to this topic, and while I have compassion for you and rejoice if someone you know has cleaned up and been delivered, but no matter what there is a price to pay...
In places where adultery is against the law it can be a criminal offense, but morally none of this stuff is good, having a long list of sins does not diminish the first topic brought up here...the world has a lot of problems and will until the Lord locks up the devil, in the mean time we have to do our best as single individuals to make it better for others. Being personally responsible in how we live our lives and do our best to help those that are not saved...it's all in Gods hands and it must grieve Him so to see such pain in the world...
My only personal link is being nearly killed by a drunk driver.
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My only personal link is being nearly killed by a drunk driver.
That is close enough.........I have been in two car accidents where the other driver was drunk....and was hit by a car at age 7 by a man that ran a red light...he also was drinking...
Night before last a drunk driver got in his truck, drove the wrong way on the interstate and killed 5 people, including 4 children here in Toledo. This family was from Maryland. It's all over the news here. Very sad.
This guy will without a doubt spend time in prison for this. I really feel like this is the right thing. But at the same time, there is a part of me that wants to say that he didn't do what he did maliciously. He has a terrible disease - alcoholism. Should he pay for his crime? Absolutely? But should he pay for it mixed in with hardened criminals? Is that serving any good purpose? I don't know.
What do you all think?
I have not read any other posts but this one, since the topic starts here with a question I will answer it IMHO before I get some nfluence from others, who no doubt also have valid opinions.
I do NOT see alcoholism as a DISEASE; that is such a misnomer., one "catches" a disease, or its passed from one person to another., alcoholism is self-inflicted torture, IMHO having been one., self-destructive behavior at its best. (or worse)
No one held a gun to my head., people decide to intake something into their bodies that is not only hazardous to general health, but MIND, and even soul., a drunk is not sane, per se, is not of sound mind YET
before he/she took a drink they were., each person changes into something different due to whatever chemicals are ingested into their body., therefore each PERSON is responsible for whatever acts are committed as a result.
PERIOD.
Killing others just because one decides to "party" a little too "hardy" is still manslaughter, innocent lives are taken before their time, countless people will suffer, from someones CHOICE, that tragedy mentioined is just horrific I feel for them and will pray for these folks.
YES a person committing a crime of murder, manslaughter, whatever should pay max penalties that the laws of the land, state, gov't decide are just recompense.
I also feel that it would be a good thing to provide some kind of rehabilitative services, get the drunk or druggie SOBER., personally I see JESUS as the only ONE whom can really set someone free (indeed)., I know that even in jail/prison a person can seek and find GOD., [in fact an alkie or druggie is already a prisoner of a substance, existing in a selfimposed prison]
To give ones life to JESUS is the best decision a person can ever make, that may to some degree mitigate some of the damage inflicted on innocents., and also help the person IN jail find some degree of peace/comfort, forgiveness etc., cause seriously the guilt on that person once they realize what they did, is UNIMAGINABLY harsh, painful.
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Dear Sister...I pray that I am shown mercy also, but I don't live in a way that can kill others...it's one thing for someone to have a car accident but to do so under the infulence of drugs or alcohol....I have heard tooo many stories of there being repeat offenders...over and over and over....I think there are few families that have not been touched by this. Perhaps it is showing mercy for the victims to lock these people up, not to mention the lives that will be saved and not damaged....crippled, burned, broken, widowed, orphaned, bankrupted, homeless, ............the list goes on and on the effects of drugs/alcohol on lives.
Indeed some alcoholics are so far gone, they NEVER ever change, never feel remorse, my cousins wife is one example., she was DWI sooo many times and once even flipped her car, hurt herself seriously, (broken hip, other bones, etc) but still returned to drinking and kept on driving drunk! Isn't that just - I don't know - SICK? In a way a person like that is almost incapable of ever becoming free from that only JESUS can do it for them., but pride often gets in the way, fear too.
My cousin eventually got divorced from her ( he did stick with her for a very long time ) but he too is an alcoholic and just will NOT quit, he does not want to, I've tried, many have tried, he refuses to even listen., i told him MY story that if I could do it he can too, I gave him my ph# to call me, he never did., he is also seriously diabetic!
Dead man walking.
My GOD! to me, that is twice as bad., 'because there IS a remedy, but the person will NOT take it., they would rather STAY like that!? He insists that that is his personal right.
I know that when I was an alkie, I always wanted to in my heart/soul quit, but couldn't., [you'd have to be there to know, its like demonic possession of sorts]., and I know more than I ever thought I ever would., about that particular topic.
BUT moreover I KNOW TRUTH! I know that miracles still happen I am one., He was watching over me all along, and did not let me do something so horrific [in all the times I was DWI, I never went to jail either] as has happened to others He spared me and others, a guilt that would probably have done me in., THAT's how much He loves me!
"HE WHOM THE LORD SETS FREE IS FREE INDEED", praise GOD!
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Night before last a drunk driver got in his truck, drove the wrong way on the interstate and killed 5 people, including 4 children here in Toledo. This family was from Maryland. It's all over the news here. Very sad.
This guy will without a doubt spend time in prison for this. I really feel like this is the right thing. But at the same time, there is a part of me that wants to say that he didn't do what he did maliciously. He has a terrible disease - alcoholism. Should he pay for his crime? Absolutely? But should he pay for it mixed in with hardened criminals? Is that serving any good purpose? I don't know.
Indeed some alcoholics are so far gone, they NEVER ever change, never feel remorse, my cousins wife is one example., she was DWI sooo many times and once even flipped her car, hurt herself seriously, (broken hip, other bones, etc) but still returned to drinking and kept on driving drunk! Isn't that just - I don't know - SICK? In a way a person like that is almost incapable of ever becoming free from that only JESUS can do it for them., but pride often gets in the way, fear too.
My cousin eventually got divorced from her ( he did stick with her for a very long time ) but he too is an alcoholic and just will NOT quit, he does not want to, I've tried, many have tried, he refuses to even listen., i told him MY story that if I could do it he can too, I gave him my ph# to call me, he never did., he is also seriously diabetic!
Dead man walking.
My GOD! to me, that is twice as bad., 'because there IS a remedy, but the person will NOT take it., they would rather STAY like that!? He insists that that is his personal right.
I know that when I was an alkie, I always wanted to in my heart/soul quit, but couldn't., [you'd have to be there to know, its like demonic possession of sorts]., and I know more than I ever thought I ever would., about that particular topic.
BUT moreover I KNOW TRUTH! I know that miracles still happen I am one., He was watching over me all along, and did not let me do something so horrific [in all the times I was DWI, I never went to jail either] as has happened to others He spared me and others, a guilt that would probably have done me in., THAT's how much He loves me!
"HE WHOM THE LORD SETS FREE IS FREE INDEED", praise GOD!
I have never been an acoholic, but have been around it growing up, friends who were drunks, and I have worked in a treatment program in my old church, but what I saw, what I have lived is drinking is a weakness of the spirit, and there are those who say they don't want to be healed, but I think fear drives them....facing life without the shield of a drunken stupor it too much to face.
I have never been an acoholic, but have been around it growing up, friends who were drunks, and I have worked in a treatment program in my old church, but what I saw, what I have lived is drinking is a weakness of the spirit, and there are those who say they don't want to be healed, but I think fear drives them....facing life without the shield of a drunken stupor it too much to face.
Yes, fear is a strong but powerful motivator ., when its all one has known for so very long, it is part of a 'normal' life. Truth be told most people have some sort of "crutch" (or shields) to lean upon in dire situations, most alcoholics started drinking 'socially' and later grew to using it to deal with just about ANY situation, good OR bad. Society deems it necessary to "fit in".
It becomes a HABIT that spins outta control, taking the bearer hostage, and it is quite scary to be so entrapped within such a desperate cycle that renders the prisoner incapable of helping self.
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And we know NOW that a person need "not have a spirit of fear but of love and a sound mind"., [para] which is possibly ONLY via the blood of JESUS!
Hallelujah! the ONLY WAY.
HE steps in, slays those demons, setting the captives FREE!
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I think that is too harsh. People do make mistakes. Some can never get over what they have done once they sober up and wouldn't touch another drink.
Some don't.
So please tell us... if it were up to you, what punishment would you impose on someone who drives drunk and kills multiple innocent people?
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In southern Illinois, a man drove the wrong way on the interstate and hit a car so hard that it burst into flames, killing two pregnant women and three children and another adult inside as their family in another vehicle watched and listened to their screams.
The man who hit them was severely injured and spent several months in a rehab hospital. He faced charges that were dropped because the claim was that his brain was so badly damaged that he is now incompetent to stand trial and has no memory of the accident of even of that day.
So today, he walks (albeit with a cane) in complete freedom, and there are those who know him that claim he fakes his mental incompetence to the court so he won't go to prison.
It's pathetic, and I have no sympathy for people who choose to act stupid, even once. I work with a nurse who is in jail for her 5th DUI. She has yet to be in an accident, but I have to wonder, why does she only have 5 months to serve when it's her 5th offense?????
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