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Old 12-17-2007, 11:06 PM
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Apples and Oranges. We are not talking about ministers and saints. We are talking about Ministers and Ministers.
Interesting that being a Christian is not a definition???
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Get real. The UPC is not a church NOR a congregation. What, the church next door can't advertise nor invite people to visit?

Tulsa is a heads up for a new direction (yes, a little more than that) and they are just saying, "A group of us are going a new direction...you're invited."
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And any way you look at it.....this is what is happening. They had to use UPC mailing address' to contact me. No different than neighboring pastor getting my church directory and calling my members and inviting them to something better.
Happens frequently with some of those listed...
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:07 PM
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Apples and Oranges. We are not talking about ministers and saints. We are talking about Ministers and Ministers.
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Get real. The UPC is not a church NOR a congregation. What, the church next door can't advertise nor invite people to visit?

Tulsa is a heads up for a new direction (yes, a little more than that) and they are just saying, "A group of us are going a new direction...you're invited."

Sure...it's just that simple... but again it is a free country...
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:08 PM
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Interesting that being a Christian is not a definition???
The UPC and this new group are groups of ministers, and not saints. There is a difference, at least to me there is.

Carry on folks, its midnight here, and i am going to bed.
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Sure...it's just that simple... but again it is a free country...
Sure it is. It's the people disparaging these men that are trying to make it more than it is and injecting sinister plots and super secret meetings in the dark.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:11 PM
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And any way you look at it.....this is what is happening. They had to use UPC mailing address' to contact me. No different than neighboring pastor getting my church directory and calling my members and inviting them to something better.
So the UPCI directory should only be used to invite ministers to UPCI events?

No one has yet established that in order to be a part of this "fellowship" one must leave the UPCI.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:12 PM
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Who is arguing?? I am simply asking what is unethical about this group forming, even if they are forming a full fledged Org??
I can agree that is Craft did what he is reported doing he was not being ethical. But the question is, whas he doing it as an authority of the non functioning new Org, or was he doing it of his own account?
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Maybe no more unethical than a man in your church forming a little group of your people that agree with him more than you (pastor) and starting another church across the street from you, contacting and reaching into your congregation in order to increase the "new fellowship".
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:13 PM
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Sure it is. It's the people disparaging these men that are trying to make it more than it is and injecting sinister plots and super secret meetings in the dark.
It certainly makes it much more entertaining.....

but it seems to me that Sacramento Rock Church is involved quite a bit doesn't it to you???

Seems like many at the Rock Church carry multiple positions???
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