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[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

I am sorry, not wanting to pick a fight,I have nothing against any of these men, but brother your comment is a little sweeping.

Maybe in some parts of the country you are correct in your assessment, but I can assure you that this is not a correct statement for most of the outer-most western states.

Then perhaps you are admitting that the outer-most western states are not moderate within the UPCI as a whole, which was the statement.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Then perhaps you are admitting that the outer-most western states are not moderate within the UPCI as a whole, which was the statement.

I have no problem admitting that, it is an irritation to me.

However, I think the numbers these states would bring into your assessment would throw your conclusion a little.

And since Thad is from one of those states, his perspective on what a moderate would look like would be influenced by what his experience in that state has been.

Don't you think?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

I venture to say nothing would have happened.

The NCO leaders would be considered moderates within the UPCI.

And in fact several within the NCO fellowship are STILL in UPCI. Since it is a true fellowship as opposed to alternate organization like is apparently being formed in Tulsa.

My point was that I don't think they, NCO leadership, would have been or would be allowed to speak at a UPC function at a national level.

The post I was responding to was by KP who made it sound as if LB was being inclusive to the body of Christ who were not UPC but I don't think he meant the leaders of the NCO. If LB was truly being inclusive, he would not form another fellowship/organization. He was being inclusive to the body of Christ that agree with his standards for holiness.

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
I will tell you that it is an absolute that they will NOT limit participation OR speakers to those within their fellowship. This point has been made VERY clear to me and a number of other men. In fact, I was present when LB expressed very clearly that whether it was Bible Quizzing OR one of their "meetings," membership in their Fellowship would absolutely have no bearing on their choices. He said that he believes the "dividing wall" that has been erected by so many oneness organizations ("if you don't belong to our group, you can't participate or speak") is one of the WORST things to happen to us as a movement.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

I have no problem admitting that, it is an irritation to me.

However, I think the numbers these states would bring into your assessment would throw your conclusion a little.

And since Thad is from one of those states, his perspective on what a moderate would look like would be influenced by what his experience in that state has been.

Don't you think?

you are on target. and as Socali stated, i was referring to the laity not the leaders of the said org.

james check your PMs thanks

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Thad

you are on target. and as Socali stated, i was referring to the laity not the leaders of the said org.

james check your PMs thanks

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Likewise with all due respect,

The posts prior, including the exact one responded to by "THAD" referenced the leadership.

If you want to change the topic to the congregations, between the three leaders, at the moment (although soon to change) there are only two churches, CoC and Promiseland. Both of these congregations would also be considered moderate within the UPCI, for large churches with saints in various stages of maturity.

I seem to recall even the great apologist of the UPCI ,DB himself, having a letter reposted in this forum about charges he had "let standards go" perhaps it should be reread.

In every sense, these men would be considered moderates within the UPCI.

I repeat even the Bernard whose holiness books kept the PPH afloat for a number of years had to write a letter on the same topic.

Someone visited once saw people with earrings etc and passed judgment.

In Thad's case it is even second hand judgment.

[Thad]

my apologies to my friend James. I didn't mean to denegrate the leaders of NCO in any way.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Thad

my apologies to my friend James. I didn't mean to denegrate the leaders of NCO in any way.

Did James Griffin ever answer the question of what it exactly takes to be disaffiliated from NCO?!?

[James Griffin]

Mizpeh,

Sorry I misread your post!!

No they probably would not have been invited to speak, but even then its still a different situation. As stated many, of the NCO fellowship are still UPCI. Its leadership did not set out to draw members into a rival organization while still affiliated (like the Tulsa group is apparently trying to do).

Firstly, because it is not an organization, it is a fellowship dedicated to assisting ministry.

Secondly, because they have more honor than that.

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Did James Griffin ever answer the question of what it exactly takes to be disaffiliated from NCO?!?

Troublemaking admin.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Did James Griffin ever answer the question of what it exactly takes to be disaffiliated from NCO?!?

Hey Boomie,

Its even easier than UPCI, since there are no dues.

Step 1, ask to be removed from mailing list.