OK, One more time...at which "step" is one rapture ready?

[Harmony]

None of the above.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by philjones

Dan,

How do you know the conversion was genuine? How does anyone?

MOW,

How do you measure or determine "genuine" repentance? What quantifies and qualifies one's repentance as 'genuine"? Don't tell me you start fruit inspecting or looking at the works or behaviors or attitudes demonstrated by the repentee. Surely you don't do that?

I know the same way I know a "genuine" anything. Sure I could be wrong but I believe I know the fate of anyone who has genuinely given themselves to the Lord, whether I can correctly judge an individual or not. My ability to correctly discern does nothing to their true eternal destiny.

All I'm saying is that for the sake of argument, let's assume that they have the "real deal" repentance.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by keith4him

I think it is clear that the normative way that the New Birth Happens in the NT is Acts 2:38, but it is healthy and biblical to seperate salvation from the New Birth experience.

But before I get accused of heresey, I belive the new birth to a part of salvation but does not encompass all there is to salvation.

So what does this mean, from God's perspective faith saves us, faith keeps us, faith will have saved us.

But from the Human responsibility factor, a believer needs to repent of sins, needs to be baptized and there needs to be regeneration for the sin nature to be conquered or ruled.

I think to that it is clear that it isnt a all of nothing thing, salvation is a process.

And I thought it was the blood of Jesus, that saves us?

[Sam]

Jimmy Carter tells a story in one of his books about a person who was a "soul winner." He was working on a prospect. He'd made his pitch and wanted to close the deal. He asked a man several times very pointedly, "Are you a Christian?" The man reached into his pocket, took out a piece of paper and a pencil, and then wrote something on the paper. Handing the paper to the "soul winner" he said, "These are the names of some folks who have known me for a long time. They can tell you whether I'm a Christian or not."

Jesus said that we can tell the real ones by their fruit, their love toward one another. Of course, things like that can be faked and a false front put up for a while, but, give people some time, watch how they react in adverse or difficult circumstances, watch how they treat people who don't have anything to provide to them for personal gain or recognition. In time you'll see who's real and who is not.

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by crakjak

And I thought it was the blood of Jesus, that saves us?

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. {Ephesians 2:8-9}

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. {Ephesians 2:8-9}

1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Originally Posted by staysharp

Thanks for the compliment, I really like your new pic, it's very flattering.

Is that a misspelling? I think you meant to type "FATTERING" ROFL

Also, how would you know how Flattering it is. That might not even be me... I could have stolen all those pictures of that family from some web site.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

We don't and that is the point. If you were to see a genuine aligator skin brief case that cost $1,000 and that is what you fancy you might find it as a good investment because the case shoud actually cost over 3k. You might wannna take it. But you would never know if it was really genuine. Only the maker knows if it is genuine. We don't.



First, you do not measure it. We do not judege people by motives, but by their actions, yes? God judges by motives. It is up to God to judge the "quick and the dead." Our job is not to decipher whether one is saved or not. It is our job to lead them to Jesus and He alone does the work. I have a friend that his family owns a fruit store. He said there are people that sell fruit then there are others that sell FRUIT. Only experts knows what real good fruit looks like. IF someone is really change and has made a decision for Christ then the fruit on their tree will change some casual lookers might not notice right out front, but the ones that are in the 'know' will see the change.

JT,

Why is that you guys on your side of the aisle in this bipartisan arena of faith can get away with the duh... I don't know answer but those who are on our side of the aisle are forbidden to answer any question with only God knows in the ultimate sense of knowledge?

I guess when the game is constantly reinvented you can write the rules anyway you wish!

[berkeley]

5 pages and all that is on my mind is the harem...

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by crakjak

And I thought it was the blood of Jesus, that saves us?

I have said this on similar threads, I think it is worth repeating here

The basis of salvation has always been the Blood of Jesus
The requirement of salvation has always been Faith
The object of faith has always been God
The requirement or application for salvation have been different according to the dispensation or covenant