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[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

If Wanda Phillips said to Tommy Craft: "Oh Tommy, PLEASE don't let the UPC go the way we did on TV lest they make shipwreck!!!" - - -

I'll run around in front of this car dealership I work at in my underwear.

Now the more important question:

I don't have time to listen to this sermon online nor am I much interested.

Could someone tell me if Booker did indeed assert that Wanda Phillips told this to Craft?

It seems that was exactly what he was saying without saying the names as verfied by T1 that has listened to it.

I do not believe Wanda said that at all.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

If Wanda Phillips said to Tommy Craft: "Oh Tommy, PLEASE don't let the UPC go the way we did on TV lest they make shipwreck!!!" - - -

I'll run around in front of this car dealership I work at in my underwear.

Now the more important question:

I don't have time to listen to this sermon online nor am I much interested.

Could someone tell me if Booker did indeed assert that Wanda Phillips told this to Craft?

LB never said her by name...he was talking about 1977 and the three friends. Those who know the history know that it was craft, phillips, and hamby.

He talked about the one who left and lost his church and alcoholism...(hamby)

He talked aboutth e one who stayed and then named him...(Craft)

He then said Craft went and talked with the other at their church (which no longer looks anything remoely apostolic) and the Wife, the wife, the wife, the wife (his emphasis) said......."don't let them do it, yada, yada, yada....) ( Has to be phillips...only phillips stills has a church and has a vocal wife)....

[ILG]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

It seems that was exactly what he was saying without saying the names as verfied by T1 that has listened to it.

I do not believe Wanda said that at all.

But implying that Booker is intentionally twisting words for gain or really believing his own stuff is different.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

If Wanda Phillips said to Tommy Craft: "Oh Tommy, PLEASE don't let the UPC go the way we did on TV lest they make shipwreck!!!" - - -

I'll run around in front of this car dealership I work at in my underwear.

Now the more important question:

I don't have time to listen to this sermon online nor am I much interested.

Could someone tell me if Booker did indeed assert that Wanda Phillips told this to Craft?

He said 2 preachers who left in '77 over TV. mark hanby's wife is remarried and is not in contact with too many people whereas wanda and ken still have connections. really, it's a no brainer

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Thad

i don't feel that you are or I did either yet Stedfast and other UCs seem to have taken it otherwise.

Thad, it's their passion. When someone believes so deeply their convictions and beliefs they will protect them with all their passion. I don't fault them for that.

Originally Posted by triumphant1

If you will take the time to listen to the sermon:

www.inlandlighthouse.com

"Protecting the Bean Patch"

You can authoritatlively say, "LB NEVER said in the sermon that he was "Leaving" the UPC....but since you havn't let me do it for you...

LB never said that he was leaving the UPC...only alluded to the fact that he might would 'seek other fellowship" and "would always fellowship the UC UPC whether they stay or leave"...but he didn't come right out and say, "I'm leaving."

I do think thet he left the impression that he might...and that he was rallying the troops around the importance of being holiness, oneness, Apostolics and not "UPC"....he certainly rallied them around him and not around the org....

In conversation with his he was FAR from saying he'd 'never' leave the UPC. However, he hadn't left it at the time and had been accused of it time and again on this very forum.

I suspect that he may, in fact, leave but I don't know that for sure. I was with Nate Wilson a few weeks ago and he said that the fellowship they were trying to facilitate was NOTHING that one would have to turn their license in to be a part of... but it didn't stop them from doing the whole 'NW leaves UPC' type things almost immediately.

I think the real difference, T1, is that I actually talk to these very people and preach meetings with them. Rumors don't mean much to me (and, by the way, thanks for your earlier post about just listening to the message and not the snide comments or rumors) as rumors seldom reflect the real truth.

These are good men who have convictions that are real. How can that be so wrong? The only way I can see that being so wrong is if you're an individual that hates the very principles they stand for.

Appreciate the post, T1.

P.S.: As far as not 'rallying the troops around the organization'? I've told my Church for 19 years now that we will build this Church around a relationship with God and a life within His principles. NEVER do I intend to build a Church around an organization comprised of humans with votes. God's principles were never given the option of a 'vote'.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

[These are good men who have convictions that are real. How can that be so wrong? The only way I can see that being so wrong is if you're an individual that hates the very principles they stand for.
]

I think the majority here do not hate the principles that it stands for even if we disagree with how those principles should be applied. Unfortunatley, the ultra-con view, because of their very beliefs, must reject any other view. That is why the division is happening. I think God understands the division even though it is grievous. The key thing is that we all need to search our hearts and find out whether what we are doing is because we believe it or if we stand to gain from it. The latter is the one guilty of sin.

[Straightline]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

If you folks want to discuss and defend it....why don't you just go to:

www.inlandlighthouse.com

and listen to the sermon....it is titled "Protecting the bean patch".

Thank you for the url, but I already knew where to find it.
My point is: QUOTES were promised in the original post, but no one will now say they were quotes. You seem to agree that thad's paraphrased version leaves much to be desired (why else send everyone to the url?). Not everybody has time to listen to online sermons.
Someone please provide the quotes....

Why read between the lines?
Insist on a
Straightline

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

In conversation with his he was FAR from saying he'd 'never' leave the UPC. However, he hadn't left it at the time and had been accused of it time and again on this very forum.

I suspect that he may, in fact, leave but I don't know that for sure. I was with Nate Wilson a few weeks ago and he said that the fellowship they were trying to facilitate was NOTHING that one would have to turn their license in to be a part of... but it didn't stop them from doing the whole 'NW leaves UPC' type things almost immediately.

I think the real difference, T1, is that I actually talk to these very people and preach meetings with them. Rumors don't mean much to me (and, by the way, thanks for your earlier post about just listening to the message and not the snide comments or rumors) as rumors seldom reflect the real truth.

These are good men who have convictions that are real. How can that be so wrong? The only way I can see that being so wrong is if you're an individual that hates the very principles they stand for.

Appreciate the post, T1.

P.S.: As far as not 'rallying the troops around the organization'? I've told my Church for 19 years now that we will build this Church around a relationship with God and a life within His principles. NEVER do I intend to build a Church around an organization comprised of humans with votes. God's principles were never given the option of a 'vote'.

I believe you and i do not disagree... I felt the same way just on the other side of the coin....I do not believe these men are bad men or whatever...I have been with them too and enjoyed my time.

I disagree with you guys...but I do not think you are bad. I also agree that the church should be built around relationship with God and NOT on an organization....so in this we agree as well.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

If Wanda Phillips said to Tommy Craft: "Oh Tommy, PLEASE don't let the UPC go the way we did on TV lest they make shipwreck!!!" - - -

I'll run around in front of this car dealership I work at in my underwear.

Now the more important question:

I don't have time to listen to this sermon online nor am I much interested.

Could someone tell me if Booker did indeed assert that Wanda Phillips told this to Craft?

Talk about "one upsmanship" ....

I offered money ... and you offer a freak show.