The Reason Some Apostolics Are Concerned: The Results of Erased Lines

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I don't say kill them,but them treat with kindness,but don't embrace that doctrine.
I think we can have some sense about us but it's still One Lord,One Faith,One Baptism.
The Bible says to earnestly contend for The Faith,that was once delievered unto the saints.

I was just trying to be funny! (I guess I failed!)

[Scott Hutchinson]

I don't think alot of people really know the origin of the Trinity doctrine.

Originally Posted by pentecostisalive

Ephesians 4:
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

The purpose of the 5 fold ministry is for the perfecting (maturing - furnishing) or the saints, and to develop them for the work of the ministry.

Verse 13 - How Long? Until everyone comes into the unity of the Faith (Doctrine), and the knowledge of God.

Verse 14 - The result of this is that they will not be tossed about by every wind of doctrine.

The ultimate result of the perfecting and development for ministry to have people grow out of the child state into having a solid understanding of doctrine. If you never preach or teach doctrine, you are failing in your responsibility to your people.

No wonder people don't know what they believe. No wonder the trinity preachers are being accepted into their pulpits and will eventually be adopted by their people.

I pray that God will always give the church the real 5-fold ministry that would establish the church in Bible Doctrine.

We might as well throw out the following scripture:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The false preachers of today..... I just preach ministry but no doctrine. We just preach acceptable, societal issues that will be pleasing the ears of my itching ears congregation. One God... My people can't handle that. Absolutes.... What are they?

Guess what? You are failing in your responsibility to God and to your people. The scriptures are given for the reasons detailed in this verse. If you don't preach the Absolute Doctrines found in the Bible, please stop calling yourself Apostolic, because the Apostles preached the doctrine revealing in the Old Testament, and fulfilled in Christ.

I am not targeting specifically the author of the post that I have quoted, but am speaking generally of the spirit of this age that is sweeping up many preachers in our day.

Wow. Good stuff.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

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How did preaching for you lead them to be rebaptized?

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I felt so bad about the slippery slope I was on - going to the dogs and complete Trinitarianism and Three God doctrine and being baptized three ways backwards that I took a vote of my General Board and by just THREE VOTES - I am back to being an Apostolictic Clean Shaven Preacher (on the forum only). I am about to RE-baptize myself (or does it have to be genuine certified LICENSED Organizational White sleeves only preacher man that has to do it?) one way forward in Running water and need to know EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO SAY! Could I get some preachers to post the EXACT WORDING that will make it all LEGAL? I sure don't want to be lost on a technicality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Socks or No Socks?

Once again, the irrational reigns supreme.

[Thad]

Getting back to the issue of the PAW, I think that most of the ones that wanted Radical change are leaving.

Jones is leaving- He is the one who wanted to change the Theme of PAW
It has always been " WE ARE JESUS ONLY"

Braizer is leaving- he is one of the main ones who was more PCI if you will, and tried to push the "once saved" doctrine.

Both these guys along with a few others that you might not recognize are the ones who were pushing for speakers like:

- Jaunita Bynum
-Paula White
- Cheryl Grady
- Prophet Todd Hall
- Paul Morton
- Charles Blake

and others that slip my mind right now.

many preachers that have served for many years never got a chance to preach at a national meeting and felt that having outsiders was undermining.

They had David Bernard speak about 5 years ago. he preached on the Godhead. however, he made a lot of Blacks mad- according to my friend, he supposedly made a very racist comment

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Thad

Getting back to the issue of the PAW, I think that most of the ones that wanted Radical change are leaving.

Jones is leaving- He is the one who wanted to change the Theme of PAW
It has always been " WE ARE JESUS ONLY"

Braizer is leaving- he is one of the main ones who was more PCI if you will, and tried to push the "once saved" doctrine.

Both these guys along with a few others that you might not recognize are the ones who were pushing for speakers like:

- Jaunita Bynum
-Paula White
- Cheryl Grady
- Prophet Todd Hall
- Paul Morton
- Charles Blake

and others that slip my mind right now.

many preachers that have served for many years never got a chance to preach at a national meeting and felt that having outsiders was undermining.

They had David Bernard speak about 5 years ago. he preached on the Godhead. however, he made a lot of Blacks mad- according to my friend, he supposedly made a very racist comment

If it really is all about JESUS as some on here claim what is wrong with that slogan? Do we not believe that Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

If it really is all about JESUS as some on here claim what is wrong with that slogan? Do we not believe that Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

I'm just telling you that some of the modern reformers in the PAW wanted that changed.

I think that part of the meaning of that slogan is that we only use the word Jesus in our baptism

Well, after 23 pages it seems that my original premise has been hurled into a 'standards' debate and a 'Oneness isn't all that important' type mentality.

Let's face it, folks, if the New Birth doctrine of repentance, baptism in His name and talking in tongues... the belief in One God... and holiness of spirit and body is what constitutes being Apostolic...

Some here just aren't.

* I've yet to be shown one single, solitary scripture that tells us to put false doctrine in our pulpits.

* I've yet to hear one viable verse of the Bible telling us that essential doctrines that define Apostolics can be overlooked to fit in with heresy.

* I've yet to hear one person even remotely refute that the PAW lost standards long before they minimized the doctrine of the Oneness.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I hope there is a true Apostolic core (even on this forum) that would never let go of, compromise their belief in or turn aside from the essentiality of this Oneness message.

It once took our forefathers to chopping blocks. Odd, isn't it, that this same message is now not important enough to some to keep them away from Rome's daughters.

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Well, after 23 pages it seems that my original premise has been hurled into a 'standards' debate and a 'Oneness isn't all that important' type mentality.

Let's face it, folks, if the New Birth doctrine of repentance, baptism in His name and talking in tongues... the belief in One God... and holiness of spirit and body is what constitutes being Apostolic...

Some here just aren't.

* I've yet to be shown one single, solitary scripture that tells us to put false doctrine in our pulpits.

* I've yet to hear one viable verse of the Bible telling us that essential doctrines that define Apostolics can be overlooked to fit in with heresy.

* I've yet to hear one person even remotely refute that the PAW lost standards long before they minimized the doctrine of the Oneness.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I hope there is a true Apostolic core (even on this forum) that would never let go of, compromise their belief in or turn aside from the essentiality of this Oneness message.

It once took our forefathers to chopping blocks. Odd, isn't it, that this same message is now not important enough to some to keep them away from Rome's daughters.

Good post, Bro. Steadfast.