Signs & Wonders - Page 3

Hoovie · #21 10-26-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

So God lied when he said that "by his stripes Ye are healed"?? I guess some will have to throw that portion of scripture away, because God is sovereign, and his Word is not for all. I wonder how one could truely pray for healing of a crippled in faith if he is unsure. Its the lottery of healing, I guess.

This view is why these discussions cannot be productive for the most part. For some, God is either a liar, or most of Christianity is faithless and without love.

To me, this is just sad.

OneAccord · #22 10-26-2007, 08:28 PM

I don't know why some are healed while others are not. Its an age old question that usually ends with someone pointing a finger at the sick. I read a tract on Devine Healing not long ago, looking for some word of faith that would help me face whats going on with my wife. All I got was reasons people are sick and all pointed to the sick as the one at fault. They didn't believe, has sin in their life or didn't have knowledge. Plain and simple... it is their own fault.

But that isn't the case. Haven't we seen scores of men and women of God sick and even die of their sicknesses? We see rain falling on the just and on the unjust alike. Who knows why some are healed while others are not? No one. Well, no one but God. Jack Coe tried to answer the question, but died of polio. William Branham tried to answer the same question, but died of car accident injuries. Even Paul left a sick Meletus behind. I don't know if there is an answer. However our attitude must be resolute: "Yea, thou He slay me, yet will I trust Him"!

stmatthew · #23 10-26-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

This view is why these discussions cannot be productive for the most part. For some, God is either a liar, or most of Christianity is faithless and without love.

To me, this is just sad.

Why not deal with the legitimate question even if you do not like the rough way I presented it.

Does Gods sovereignty mean that he will disavow his Word that is forever settled in heaven, and not heal someone that comes to him in faith? His Word does give promise of healing when it states that:

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Isa 53:4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains -- he hath carried them, And we -- we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 And he is pierced for our transgressions, Bruised for our iniquities, The chastisement of our peace [is] on him, And by his bruise there is healing to us. (YLT)

mizpeh · #24 10-26-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

He let a man be crippled for many years just so He could display His glory.

BTW, there was a disciple whom He appeared to love more than the others.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Ecc 3: 1-3 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

stmatthew · #25 10-26-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

I don't know why some are healed while others are not. Its an age old question that usually ends with someone pointing a finger at the sick. I read a tract on Devine Healing not long ago, looking for some word of faith that would help me face whats going on with my wife. All I got was reasons people are sick and all pointed to the sick as the one at fault. They didn't believe, has sin in their life or didn't have knowledge. Plain and simple... it is their own fault.

But that isn't the case. Haven't we seen scores of men and women of God sick and even die of their sicknesses? We see rain falling on the just and on the unjust alike. Who knows why some are healed while others are not? No one. Well, no one but God. Jack Coe tried to answer the question, but died of polio. William Branham tried to answer the same question, but died of car accident injuries. Even Paul left a sick Meletus behind. I don't know if there is an answer. However our attitude must be resolute: "Yea, thou He slay me, yet will I trust Him"!

My friend, I am with you in saying that I have no answer why some die "unhealed". Does there have to be "fault" distributed during such an occasion? I think not. But I just have not found any scripture that negates the promise of healing.

pelathais · #26 10-26-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

So God lied when he said that "by his stripes Ye are healed"?? I guess some will have to throw that portion of scripture away, because God is sovereign, and his Word is not for all. I wonder how one could truely pray for healing of a crippled in faith if he is unsure. Its the lottery of healing, I guess.

Actually, the scripture that you refer to does offer a guaranteed healing every time for everyone!

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1 Peter 2:24

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5

There's no "lottery." Just believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, and that God raised him from the dead then you shall be healed (saved). Romans 10:9

mizpeh · #27 10-26-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I guess one has to pray the magic prayer the correct number of times loudly.

James 5: 14-15 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him

Luke 11:8-10 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth. And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Keep asking, Keep seeking, Keep knocking until God answers.

Hoovie · #28 10-26-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Why not deal with the legitimate question even if you do not like the rough way I presented it.

Does Gods sovereignty mean that he will disavow his Word that is forever settled in heave, and not heal someone that comes to him in faith? His Word does give promise of healing when it states that:

I see absolutely no conflict in the passage and a saint that is full of faith and the Holy Spirit but sick in body - even dying.

It is a message of strength and victorious hope to rest in the sovereignty of God Almighty. I fully understand making our desires known to God, but ultimately our prayer must be "not mine - but thy will be done".

OneAccord · #29 10-26-2007, 08:45 PM

No, Healing is, in fact, a very real promise to every child of God. It was, as you pointed out, purchased for us at Calvary. I realize that the Bible does indicate a lack of faith as a reason for not being healed. But, I also submit there are many, many reasons as well. And there are reasons none of us know and may never know until we get to heaven. I have seen His healing power many times, though, admittedly, not so much as in days gone by. I agree, healing of body mind and soul was purchased at Calvary and nothing in God's Word negates His promise.

stmatthew · #30 10-26-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Actually, the scripture that you refer to does offer a guaranteed healing every time for everyone!

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1 Peter 2:24

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5

There's no "lottery." Just believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, and that God raised him from the dead then you shall be healed (saved). Romans 10:9

If you equate Isaiah 53 only to spiritual, you are missing much of what is there. Look at the new testament fulfillment in action on this verse.

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Mat 8:16 And evening having come, they brought to him many demoniacs, and he did cast out the spirits with a word, and did heal all who were ill,
Mat 8:17 that it might be fulfilled that was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, saying, `Himself took our infirmities, and the sicknesses he did bear.'