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10-03-2007, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Paths
Asking.
My real concern is how a person would appear to innocent bystanders that observe the person "avoiding" one that "cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine"?
Maybe I'm not making sense....
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You are, but I was just checking. I agree with Keith it is tough to find which person is the one making the trouble.
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10-03-2007, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by keith4him
The actual hard part is determining who actually is a trouble maker and who is someone who disagrees with my interpretation of scripture. When flesh is involved the details become fuzzy.
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That's a good point. After 2,000 years things have only become more complex. Those causing division contrary to the Apostle's teachings may not just be the wolves lurking around the periphery. Those causing the division may be those who are in charge at a particular location. And so in separating from them you may appear to be the one who is causing the division.
The real test comes down to: who is obeying the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Apostles?
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10-03-2007, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pelathais
That's a good point. After 2,000 years things have only become more complex. Those causing division contrary to the Apostle's teachings may not just be the wolves lurking around the periphery. Those causing the division may be those who are in charge at a particular location. And so in separating from them you may appear to be the one who is causing the division.
The real test comes down to: who is obeying the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Apostles?
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You know, when he says what they taught and we think doctrine...it does not necessarily have to be just what we normally call the Apostolic doctrine.
There is a whole NT full of teachings that can be referred too..It could be lack of love. Some saints cause division and ill feelings by talking bad about others, the pastor, his family, brother so and so that plays an instrument.
That kind of stuff is like a cancer when you get other people willing to listen, believe it and then spread it too
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10-03-2007, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Paths
Rom 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
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It means i cannot talk to you again... ever!
J/K!!!
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10-03-2007, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Paths
Rom 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
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Doctrine is the main concept in that scripture. The fight is over what is doctrine and what is not a heaven or hell issue?
What is your thought on the Scripture?
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10-03-2007, 11:23 PM
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It won't be Elder Groce!
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10-03-2007, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
What Paul saying was don't go back into the ceremonial law in other words be cautious of Judaizers who would pervert the message of grace,and cause you to fall from grace.
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Scott, you have the best handle on the meaning, and in proper context. Kudos!
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10-04-2007, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron
It means what it says OP.
Trouble is doctrine can mean anything to anybody.....wait.. there is another scripture.
Jdg 21:25... every man did that which was right in his own eyes. 
Doctrine can change if you believe "enlightened progressives" |
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10-04-2007, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by keith4him
The actual hard part is determining who actually is a trouble maker and who is someone who disagrees with my interpretation of scripture. When flesh is involved the details become fuzzy.
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Absolutely. I agree.
*I think many Apostolics can agree to disagree without it causing a division, especially about non-essentials such as T.V., and many dress standard issues.
*If a church member disagrees with a doctrinal point the Pastor preaches the right thing to do would be to keep their mouth shut and go to the Pastor in private stating the reason why they are leaving and they do not want to cause church trouble, and if they are a good saint and tithe payer ask for a letter of transfer. Then keep their mouth shut.
*If this thread was about the voting at GC...it is an organization, chosen for democracy, and runs politically and people have the right to vote as they wish and withdraw membership if that is what they wish...but they do not have the right to cause trouble, fan the flame, and spread lies...that is what this scripture is talking about.
Blessings, Rhoni
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10-04-2007, 09:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
What Paul saying was don't go back into the ceremonial law in other words be cautious of Judaizers who would pervert the message of grace,and cause you to fall from grace.
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Good answer Brother Scott
Apostle Paul's greatest adversaries came not from the Roman government but from those who sought to mix Judaism and Christianity. The old "Babel Syndrome", of human achievement, is alive and well in all of us and man is always trying to help God out when it comes to religion and man's ultimate salvation.
The ones that Paul said to avoid were the very ones who wanted to bring Chritianity back under the Law and frustrate the Grace of God. There is no sin, known to man, more dangerous than self-righteousness! It is the inability and spiritual ineptitude of some that lead the LORD'S sheep, to resort to "laws", and "musts", and "have to's", because they can't lead people to deeper relationships with God otherwise. Instead of being heart surgeons they have settled on being dermatologists! I, for one, want to be very careful of those I might avoid or exclude from my circle of fellowship. We must be sure that the doctrine we uphold is the one taught by the early church 2000 years ago and not 40 years ago!
Hear what Paul had to say:
1 Cor 8:9
9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
Gal 2:4-5
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
Gal 5:1
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Respectfully
Raven
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