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View Poll Results: Adino's statement (in post #1) expresses my understanding concerning water baptism:
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10-02-2007, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
Personally no but I understand Texas is famous for the two-step.
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James, before you go, why not take a moment and vote!
and thanks to all who have already voted!
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10-02-2007, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
James, before you go, why not take a moment and vote!
and thanks to all who have already voted!
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With all due respect to whomever organized the poll, it does not repeat the statement being voted on.
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10-02-2007, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
With all due respect to whomever organized the poll, it does not repeat the statement being voted on.
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Thank you for providing the respect due. 
When you make a poll, there is this cruel limitation on the number of characters a poll question can use? If I attempted to modify the question I would be altering ADINO's clear, concise, statement of position.
The whole point of the poll question was to point the reader to that statement. To alter it, or to in any way apply some editorial privledge, would render the whole statement open for tit-for-tat volleys.
If you would please consider returning to page 1, post 1, the statement will be very apparent.
thanks in advance.
tbpew
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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10-02-2007, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
Thank you for providing the respect due.
When you make a poll, there is this cruel limitation on the number of characters a poll question can use? If I attempted to modify the question I would be altering ADINO's clear, concise, statement of position.
The whole point of the poll question was to point the reader to that statement. To alter it, or to in any way apply some editorial privledge, would render the whole statement open for tit-for-tat volleys.
If you would please consider returning to page 1, post 1, the statement will be very apparent.
thanks in advance.
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My apologies. The statement is now there. Since the original post is still evolving I'll hold off. :-) Is there a way to go to the original thread? It would be interesting to see the context in which it was made. Sometimes stand alone statements don't reflect the true tone or content.
I do see however that DA agreed with it, so it is probably correct if taken in context. 
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10-02-2007, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
My apologies. The statement is now there. Since the original post is still evolving I'll hold off. :-) Is there a way to go to the original thread? It would be interesting to see the context in which it was made. Sometimes stand alone statements don't reflect the true tone or content.
I do see however that DA agreed with it, so it is probably correct if taken in context. |
Here is the post, follow the little arrow to place you back into the thread, bold highlights are mine.
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Originally Posted by Adino
I would point to baptism as the first "works meet for repentance" enacted by one who has repented and believed the Gospel. The heart of repentance and faith was declared to all in baptism. Salvation was declared in baptism.
John who taught the baptism of "repentance for the remission of sins" (Mark 1:4, Luke 3:3) [i.e., the baptism which declared remission of sins in repentance] asked men to repent and to bring forth "works/fruits meet for repentance" (Matthew 3:8, Luke 3:8, also Paul in Act 26:20). I would suggest that the quickening of the soul which took place the moment of conversion was dramatized in the act of baptism. The act signified a change of lifestyle. It signified a putting away of the old and an embarking on the new. The regeneration which took place within the confines of the soul was to produce regenerate behavior "worthy of/meet for" repentance. Regenerate behavior is engendered by the regenerate heart. The person submitting to baptism is declaring that regeneration has occurred by faith. He is declaring his salvation.
The man saved by the Gospel was to "work out his own salvation" meaning he was to let his behavior be reflective of the salvation he possessed through faith. Baptism was a picture of this resurrection to new life. I would stress that it did not effect new life, but that it was only an external outcropping and/or by-product of the new life existing in the heart by faith.
I do not take baptism "out of the equation" for proper Christian behavior. I do take it "out of the equation" for salvation before God. |
Ok, James can you vote now?
If you can not, will you please share for me how the subject statement needs context?
thanks again,
tbpew
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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10-02-2007, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
My apologies. The statement is now there. Since the original post is still evolving I'll hold off. :-) Is there a way to go to the original thread? It would be interesting to see the context in which it was made. Sometimes stand alone statements don't reflect the true tone or content.
I do see however that DA agreed with it, so it is probably correct if taken in context. |
WOW!!!!
I don't know what to say?!?... 
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10-02-2007, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Does anyone know the 3 step????
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It's the only way to dance with Father God in fields of grace.
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10-02-2007, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by philjones
WOW!!!!
I don't know what to say?!?... |
maybe this is proof positive that the principals of NCO all teach a accept/believe-only road to eternal security.::sshhh
 
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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10-02-2007, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
maybe this is proof positive that the principals of NCO all teach a accept/believe-only road to eternal security.::sshhh
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Ironically, I know that is NOT true. KP is VERY much a traditional Water and Spirit and unless something has drastically changed (which is very possible) WH and JS are also Water and Spirit three steppers.
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10-02-2007, 03:16 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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We must be baptized in the Name of Jesus
No Baptism NO SALVATION.
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