NEWS FLASH! The Cons getting cold Feet?????????????

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I think that would be terrible, and that is why all should be focused in working this issue out and conserving the unity of the fellowship. Let’s face it this is wrong if it will divide Brothers. It should be unity of the fellowship and winning souls as a unified effort. We have not one Brazilian One God work in South Florida, what would the Brothers accomplish by walking off if the vote goes not their way? Every man on the conference floor should consider themselves and their Brothers as they make their decisions on this issue. There is so much to get done and television is just muddying the waters, it's not worth it.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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I get the impression that you feel an organization should get its direction from weaker brethren. UPC preachers opposing the use of modern technology to take "the whole gospel to the whole world" represents an oxymoron to the stated purpose for their existence as an organization I just don't get it.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sam it's not about that, it's about only larger wealthier churches being able to afford advertising on television. It's about smaller churches not being able to be involved due to small budgets. It's not fair. All will be making a decision for only a few to profit from the vote.

Why risk a problem with others in the group over this?

So your saying if I can't have it I don't want you to have it either?

[revrandy]

I can verify Thad's Report.... this has been said...

[Truly Blessed]

To think that a church could leave the organization and they wouldn't start another church in the area is being naive. When a church leaves the org you have left truth and so how could a pastor who has preached to his congregation that the UPC is the org with the truth not expect that they wouldn't want to ensure that a church with the truth would remain in his community?

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

To think that a church could leave the organization and they wouldn't start another church in the area is being naive. When a church leaves the org you have left truth and so how could a pastor who has preached to his congregation that the UPC is the org with the truth not expect that they wouldn't want to ensure that a church with the truth would remain in his community?

Power and Insecurity...both rolled into one...

Originally Posted by chseeads

It's funny depending on where people are from what they consider big and small churches.

Here, 200-250 is a great big church.

seriously??

I could see mid-sized, but how is 200-250 people big?

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

seriously??

I could see mid-sized, but how is 200-250 people big?

I can see it too because for instance in Louisiana where we used to live other then the one huge church there in our immediate area... there were so many churches its almost as if they didnt give the churches enough chance to grow.. they just built a new one. A large church there in the CenLa area averaged about 200...

But now we are in Dallas and ours is one of the larger upc and it runs 900. So it does kind of depend on the area I believe

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

I can see it too because for instance in Louisiana where we used to live other then the one huge church there in our immediate area... there were so many churches its almost as if they didnt give the churches enough chance to grow.. they just built a new one. A large church there in the CenLa area averaged about 200...

But now we are in Dallas and ours is one of the larger upc and it runs 900. So it does kind of depend on the area I believe

Right you are!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

We have a huge amount of Brazilians in South Florida. Most who are Trinitarian Pentecostal (Assembly of gods). We have no One God work focused towards that people and their language.

OK, like I said, you mean "Portugese" (which is the official language of Brazil), right???

Why yes young man there is many works down here that are focused towards a certain group because of language barriers. Maybe over in Dogpatch where you live there are not such a great variety of peoples from different countries, but here in South Florida we have every kind of language and culture you can think of. You see being an evangelist you have to do what you can to reach the people, since I cannot speak Portuguese, I need to raise up Brothers who can to teach and preach to people who only understand Portuguese. Do you understand the situation now?

Yes, that is what I was asking about... When you ask about a work that speaks "Brazilian", though, I had to wonder since there is no language on the planet earth called "Brazilian"...

I understood the situation before, I just wasn't sure what you were talking about since you were asking about a church reaching to a certain demographic based on nationality (and that's not cool to have a church based on nationality), but what you were really looking for is a church that speaks Portugese (a church that is needed based on language barriers)

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

OK, like I said, you mean "Portugese" (which is the official language of Brazil), right???



Yes, that is what I was asking about... When you ask about a work that speaks "Brazilian", though, I had to wonder since there is no language on the planet earth called "Brazilian"...

I understood the situation before, I just wasn't sure what you were talking about since you were asking about a church reaching to a certain demographic based on nationality (and that's not cool to have a church based on nationality), but what you were really looking for is a church that speaks Portugese (a church that is needed based on language barriers)

I want to ask the question why is it not right to have a church based upon a nationality? We have many of them in our church... we have a Korean church, we have a Spanish church, we have a Indian church and we have a African church and they are also welcomed at all of our regular services but we have chosen to have church for them also on their own because... if we had an interpreter for every nationality we had it would just not work and the demographics of where we are located just make this the right solution... (also has something to do with the fact that we couldnt fit another 500 or so in our sanctuary on a sunday service right now either...