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Old 09-11-2007, 03:41 PM
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I'm related to a pretty good UPC bible teacher......Actually two.
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:44 PM
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I'm related to a pretty good UPC bible teacher......Actually two.
I thougt of your Dad as well.

I thought he was looking for living teachers.

Also, Rev Harry Haygood was a great teacher.
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:46 PM
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My list doesn't consist of big names either....

Ron Hawkins
David Beecham
Fred Stanger
Would this man live in the west TN area? If so, My dad may have met this minister in the doctors office a few days ago. He met a pentecostal preacher named David Beecham in the waiting room at a clinic in Memphis last week. He said he was very encouraging to talk to, and wished their conversation could have lasted longer.
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:50 PM
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So much of the teaching today is quoted off the TD Jakes broadcasts.

There are very few original thinkers...

My personal thoughts.

Nathan Eckstadt
The up-and-coming generation are just products of "the machine"....
certain types of messages and certain types of deliveries are promoted
and as the result, many young preachers just clone what's rewarded....
rewarded how? rewarded by compliments, rewarded by opportunities in
ministry, more preaching engagements, comparisons to other "well-known"
preachers, etc....

The decreasing volume of quality teachers combined with the near
absense of mentoring will always result in shallowness, shallowness of
preaching/teaching and shallowness of passion and ability to reach the lost....
even young preachers that have willingness to improve their ministry
(via prayer, study, etc) to a degree can only reach what their modeled
leadership has attained.... they are usually not prepared or equipped to
claim a greater anointing than their shepherd-leadership....

this one-time "Passing the Mantle" service of the Elders praying over the
young preachers for greaters ministries, anointing, etc can't replace the
absense of prayer/study/committment in the life of the younger minister,
nor replace the absense of mentoring and/or teaching invested in that
person by their leadership.... build on their existing foundation, most certainly....
but not in minutes give what it took years for those Elders to attain....

the "Passing the Mantle" service almost seemed like a one-time buy-out
for all the neglect thats taken place toward it's up-and-coming.... churches
that have ministry-mentoring programs in place (like Alex) are to be
commended as they are following a time-proven Biblical principle of
leadership that God will always honor and bless....

just throwing a dog-bone out there for folks to chew on....
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:53 PM
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The up-and-coming generation are just products of "the machine"....
certain types of messages and certain types of deliveries are promoted
and as the result, many young preachers just clone what's rewarded....
rewarded how? rewarded by compliments, rewarded by opportunities in
ministry, more preaching engagements, comparisons to other "well-known"
preachers, etc....

The decreasing volume of quality teachers combined with the near
absense of mentoring will always result in shallowness, shallowness of
preaching/teaching and shallowness of passion and ability to reach the lost....
even young preachers that have willingness to improve their ministry
(via prayer, study, etc) to a degree can only reach what their modeled
leadership has attained.... they are usually not prepared or equipped to
claim a greater anointing than their shepherd-leadership....

this one-time "Passing the Mantle" service of the Elders praying over the
young preachers for greaters ministries, anointing, etc can't replace the
absense of prayer/study/committment in the life of the younger minister,
nor replace the absense of mentoring and/or teaching invested in that
person by their leadership.... build on their existing foundation, most certainly....
but not in minutes give what it took years for those Elders to attain....

the "Passing the Mantle" service almost seemed like a one-time buy-out
for all the neglect thats taken place toward it's up-and-coming.... churches
that have ministry-mentoring programs in place (like Alex) are to be
commended as they are following a time-proven Biblical principle of
leadership that God will always honor and bless....

just throwing a dog-bone out there for folks to chew on....
Wow! I agree and see it just how you state it as well...

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Old 09-11-2007, 03:55 PM
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Would this man live in the west TN area? If so, My dad may have met this minister in the doctors office a few days ago. He met a pentecostal preacher named David Beecham in the waiting room at a clinic in Memphis last week. He said he was very encouraging to talk to, and wished their conversation could have lasted longer.
David is from Lexington, TN, he pastors here in Bloomington, IN now, he's 40 something. His dad Bobby Beecham pastors in Lexington.
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:56 PM
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I love to hear the apostolic teaching of Br. David Wasmundt.

Teaching truth without fear or favor.
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Old 09-11-2007, 04:03 PM
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I'm related to a pretty good UPC bible teacher......Actually two.
Your Dad was a great teacher. His books are still within reaching distance.
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Old 09-11-2007, 04:06 PM
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Your Dad was a great teacher. His books are still within reaching distance.
Who are you talking about and what are the titles of the books?

I am interested.
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Old 09-11-2007, 04:16 PM
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One thing that we thought was really lacking in UPC when we were involved was good solid Bible teaching. Most of the preachers just preached (loud and emotional) and it was great, but there wasn't much teaching. Even Wed. night Bible study sounded just like a Sunday sermon in most places.

Eddie is a teacher more than a preacher, so he never really fit into that mold. He never gets loud, but the words he delivers are powerful and anointed and life changing. I think there is room for both in the body of Christ, but it seems like preaching way overshadows teaching in OP ranks.
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