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Old 08-28-2007, 12:46 PM
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Clearly worshiping the creature more than the Creator should top the list. All other sins are derived from this. Maybe we could say this is the top of the slippery slope, and once over the edge of serving self the slide can send one deep into depravity.

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Romans 1:18 - 32 (KJV) 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:49 PM
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Legalism, in Christian theology, is a pejorative term referring to an improper fixation on law or codes of conduct, or legal ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigor, pride, superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of the grace of God. Legalism is alleged against any view that law, not faith in God's grace, is the pre-eminent principle of redemption. Its opposite error is Antinomianism, which is alleged against a view that moral laws are not binding.

Antinomianism (from the Greek αντι, "against" + νομος, "law"), or lawlessness (in the Greek Bible: ανομια, which is "unlawful"), in theology, is the idea that members of a particular religious group are under no obligation to obey the laws of ethics or morality as presented by religious authorities. Antinomianism is the polar opposite of legalism, the notion that obedience to a code of religious law is necessary for salvation.
The term has become a point of contention among opposed religious authorities. Few groups or sects explicitly call themselves "antinomian", but the charge is often leveled by some sects against competing sects.
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Legalism, in Christian theology, is a pejorative term referring to an improper fixation on law or codes of conduct, or legal ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigor, pride, superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of the grace of God. Legalism is alleged against any view that law, not faith in God's grace, is the pre-eminent principle of redemption. Its opposite error is Antinomianism, which is alleged against a view that moral laws are not binding.

Antinomianism (from the Greek αντι, "against" + νομος, "law"), or lawlessness (in the Greek Bible: ανομια, which is "unlawful"), in theology, is the idea that members of a particular religious group are under no obligation to obey the laws of ethics or morality as presented by religious authorities. Antinomianism is the polar opposite of legalism, the notion that obedience to a code of religious law is necessary for salvation.
The term has become a point of contention among opposed religious authorities. Few groups or sects explicitly call themselves "antinomian", but the charge is often leveled by some sects against competing sects.

tv1a there you have it. So can you show how homosexuality relates?
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tv1a there you have it. So can you show how homosexuality relates?
it only relates when an Apostolic Holiness Preacher acts like an Apostolic Holiness Preacher.

then it is gay rape.
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Timmy, sorry I have just read your post. CS has done an excellent job of responding.

Homosexuality is a spirit of perversion that many have an extremely hard time conqueroring. It affects more than one person.

You can say what happens down the street doesn't affect you, but in all honestly you don't know that. You don't know if that person is going to turn on your son IF you have one.

This group is doing as much to bring down Christianity than any other.

This hate crime nonesense is based from the gays.

They have even rallied some countries to pass laws to forbid teaching against gays, even though it is scriptural.

If you think this group is just a little kitty cat, you better wake up and see the roaring lion that has developed.

It is an abomination to God, that in itself says a lot to me.
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it only relates when an Apostolic Holiness Preacher acts like an Apostolic Holiness Preacher.

then it is gay rape.
What is that supposed to mean?
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What is that supposed to mean?
I think he was being sarcastic
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Timmy, sorry I have just read your post. CS has done an excellent job of responding.

Homosexuality is a spirit of perversion that many have an extremely hard time conqueroring. It affects more than one person.

You can say what happens down the street doesn't affect you, but in all honestly you don't know that. You don't know if that person is going to turn on your son IF you have one.

This group is doing as much to bring down Christianity than any other.

This hate crime nonesense is based from the gays.

They have even rallied some countries to pass laws to forbid teaching against gays, even though it is scriptural.

If you think this group is just a little kitty cat, you better wake up and see the roaring lion that has developed.

It is an abomination to God, that in itself says a lot to me.
You made some good points. Imagine if the mentality goes as far as to ban anyone preaching against sexual deviant activities.
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What is that supposed to mean?
Satire. scarcasm. meant to point to the ridiculous nature of this argument...
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Really? I can think of lots of things "much worse". . . . But homosexuality is different. It seems to be a law for the sake of itself. A test, just to see if we obey, perhaps?
No. The practice of homosexuality stunts the growth of our character and our ability to fully relate to God and to other people. I know it is long, but please read this excellent essay by David Kupelian.

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The whole thing about it being a "threat" to the family: I don't buy it. How does it harm my family, if two men down the street are "married" or living together? Nothing they do, in the privacy of their home, can possibly prevent me from having a healthy, monogamous, heterosexual relationship with my wife. Those guys are no threat, whatsoever.
They are advancing a much larger agenda than what you see right now, very slowly and incrementally. They claim to be largely monogamous, and sharing similar other values with hetero people. In truth they engage staggering numbers of partners and engage in other deviant practices as well. Obviously not all of them, and the women are generally more monogamous than the men. But for the men, standard-issue homosexuality is actually a gateway through which these even more grotesque practices become available. But at the activist level, they conduct first-rate public relations. They put the best possible face forward, conceal and de-emphasize the freak show behind the curtain, and deny the agenda.

Here is a peek into the 'control room'

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Yes, the activists can get carried away, but it's no more than an annoyance, unless they rioted or something.
Tell it to this guy. They ARE getting militant on college campi

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That's another matter, and it's wrong for good reason. But if they get laws passed allowing gay marriage, so what? It doesn't force me to become gay!
It lets a minority redefine marriage, for the purpose of corrupting society.

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Seriously, I don't get the outrage or the alarm. Or why it's so incredibly evil. Someone explain it to me.
Your confusion on the matter is further proof of the insidious nature of the ploy. The Gay "Rights" movement purposely attempts to draw parallels to the civil rights movement, when there are none. Gays have not been enslaved, denied basic rights, segregated, or victims of Jim Crow type laws. They have had and still have the same rights as everybody else. What they are pushing for is a protected status - where they are protected from judgment, criticism, and religious speech. That's right. They are actively working to make it illegal for preachers to preach against homosexuality.
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