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08-26-2007, 02:48 PM
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Incidentally, the testimony of the accuser would not qualify as a witness.
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08-26-2007, 02:49 PM
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In this case, it sounds as if forensic evidence would have been virtually impossible to obtain.
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I agree that in THIS case, it doesn't sound like CSI evidence would have been much help. And the part that I quoted (now) way back about another minister saying that the accused was "being attacked unjustly" ALL hinges on whether or not it was before or after his confession. If it was before, we have a case of the accused innocence being assumed. Just like Bible and just like our Constitution. If it happened AFTER, then we have someone who needs to be drawn and quartered.
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08-26-2007, 02:49 PM
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I agree that in THIS case, it doesn't sound like CSI evidence would have been much help. And the part that I quoted (now) way back about another minister saying that the accused was "being attacked unjustly" ALL hinges on whether or not it was before or after his confession. If it was before, we have a case of the accused innocence being assumed. Just like Bible and just like our Constitution. If it happened AFTER, then we have someone who needs to be drawn and quartered.
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Agreed.
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And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
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08-26-2007, 02:56 PM
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I haven't read this entire thread yet; but I just want to say that I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW SUCH THINGS CAN HAPPEN! ARE THESE MEN ANIMALS? DON'T THEY HAVE SELF CONTROL LIKE THE REST OF THE HUMAN RACE?! IT ANGERS ME BEYOND WORDS!
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Women do it too.
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08-26-2007, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
Self control?
Who in their right mind has to exercise self control to keep their hands off a child?
Sadly, that is a perversion that goes far beyond unrestrained carnality.
Something is twisted up way down inside.
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This is true, but like Newman said most of these cases involve adults who were abused themselves as children
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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08-26-2007, 02:58 PM
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Newman, IMO, that does NOT matter AT ALL. Why? Here's my answer:
So was I [a victim as a child]; however, I have never molested another child. I'll NEVER buy that as an excuse! Each adult is solely responsible for their OWN behavior.
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She did not say it was an excuse. Nobody here is excusing this act. However it's true these individuals are messed up inside and we should look at how they got that way. In fact we should be very aware of what this might do to the girl involved too.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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08-26-2007, 03:02 PM
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Incidentally, the testimony of the accuser would not qualify as a witness.
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?? Please give scripture with this.....not doubting necessarily that you have something to back this up, but I would still like to see it.
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08-26-2007, 03:04 PM
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?? Please give scripture with this.....not doubting necessarily that you have something to back this up, but I would still like to see it.
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A witness is an observer, not the person who claims to be a victim.
The defiinition of the word is enough.
Even if the accuser did qualify as a witness, their accusation alone would only be one "witness."
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And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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08-26-2007, 03:09 PM
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Incidentally, the testimony of the accuser would not qualify as a witness.
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An interesting point and I actually changed my mind about three times in the course of two minutes thinking about the statement.
Of course you can say that the word "witness" be definition means someone who SAW something being done to someone or something.
(15 seconds went by)
But then isn't the one with the accusation also a witness? After all they saw first hand what happened. Why would they be disqualified from telling their side of the story?
I think it is an interesting thought, but at this point it seems to be a case of extreme semantics.
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08-26-2007, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Amos
A witness is an observer, not the person who claims to be a victim.
The defiinition of the word is enough.
Even if the accuser did qualify as a witness, their accusation alone would only be one "witness."
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This is not proof of the system....the way things work. You need to make an argument.
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