Question For All You Prophecy Buffs

[mfblume]

It is historical fact that NO ONE BELIEVED ISRAEL AND THE CHURCH would be separate entities, with a plan of salvation peculiar to each group, forever, until 1830.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by ILG

Thank you for your insights. I am familiar with dispensationalism but am unsure how it fits into your outline. Certainly, science is revered as the answers to everything.

I'm guilty of rambling. The question did ask about a time period before dispensationalism was properly developed. I guess I threw that in there because in my mind the history of dispensationalsim is so interwoven into the fabric of what it means to be "apostolic" today.

I learned the dispensational point of view as a kid but never thought of it as being anything other than "Bible Prophecy" until I was challenged about it as a minister in my 30's. That's when I really began to appreciate the idea of there being "schools of thought" within the realm of "Bible Prophecy." Ever since then, things haven't been as simple as they once were.

[Scott Hutchinson]

If one lived in the first century and heard the teachings of Jesus and then read the OT. and read the epistles and read the epistle to the seven churches ,what would it have meant to someone in the first century ?

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

If one lived in the first century and heard the teachings of Jesus and then read the OT. and read the epistles and read the epistle to the seven churches ,what would it have meant to someone in the first century ?

I think it would have meant different things to different first century individuals, and the subjective interpretations of the many cryptic passages would have led to discussion, debate, division, and occasionally disfellowship or even dismemberment.

[KwaiQ]

A book that might be useful:
http://www.amazon.com/History-Prophe.../dp/0664244793




I don't endorse anything on this site, but here is a prophesy that will be getting more and more news and media attention as the day approaches:

http://www.adishakti.org/mayan_end_t...12-21-2012.htm

ILG, I whole heartedly recommend Leroy Froom's "The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers". It is a four volume overview of prophetic teaching and exposition, from the intertestamental period up to the early 1900s. It covers preChristian Jewish prophecy teachers, early church prophecy teachers, medieval prophecy teachers, and so forth. It identifies who, when, where, and what they taught, and how earlier teachers influenced later teachers (and thus teachings) throughout the time period under discussion.

The author is a Seventh Day Adventist, and by the time you get to the mid 1800s I imagine that SDA bias may begin to show through somewhat, however I have found he has given a very good and honest examination of pre-Millerite prophecy teachings - Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish - using extensive source material and original quotations.

It is an incredibly detailed comparative study of the last 2500 years of prophecy teaching and interpretation, and it is also well written and an enjoyable read.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It is historical fact that NO ONE BELIEVED ISRAEL AND THE CHURCH would be separate entities, with a plan of salvation peculiar to each group, forever, until 1830.

Here we agree my friend...blessings to you and yours

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Here we agree my friend...blessings to you and yours

Amen, and blessings in return!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It is historical fact that NO ONE BELIEVED ISRAEL AND THE CHURCH would be separate entities, with a plan of salvation peculiar to each group, forever, until 1830.

What's the significance of 1830 there ?
What happened in that year?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Ok I'll be first and this is not to cause contention or hurt any brethren,but for various reasons this is believed to be the origins of dispensational theology.