Why Sunday - Page 41

Amanah · #**401** 01-10-2020, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Well, the history is pretty much clear . . .

I don't think the breaking bread daily house to house was "everybody having church every day" but is simply saying every day there were believers hanging out together and sharing meals, to emphasise the community they shared. The Judeans also had a history of communal groups (Qumran, etc) so that seems more of a local cultural practice in Jerusalem (not that a principle of community shouldn't be derived from their example, though).

Teaching and preaching daily sounds like church services to me.
I am sure as observant Jews that they continued to keep the Sabbath as a day to cease from work (with Jesus making exceptions to do well on the Sabbath),
but neither Jesus or the disciples restricted preaching and teaching to the Sabbath only.

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Luke 21
37 And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet.
38 And early in the morning all the people came to him in the temple to hear him.

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Acts 5:42
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Esaias · #**402** 01-10-2020, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

Teaching and preaching daily sounds like church services to me.
I am sure as observant Jews that they continued to keep the Sabbath as a day to cease from work (with Jesus making exceptions to do well on the Sabbath),
but neither Jesus or the disciples restricted preaching and teaching to the Sabbath only.

Oh I wasn't saying teaching is restricted. The apostles ministered daily house to house, that seems the origin of pastoral visitation. Pastors and evangelists used to do that up until about 100 years ago I believe.

mfblume · #**403** 01-10-2020, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery

You had a whole paragraph where you pretended to state my beliefs, without a single quote. Esaias highlighted one example. And I have limited time for debating trick nonsense.

I do not engage in debate tricks. I do not know of any, to be honest. Sorry, if it appeared so. I will check over my notes and see what you're referring to.

mfblume · #**404** 01-10-2020, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Righteous to keep, or righteous to abrogate and violate?

How many times must I say sabbath is FULFILLED, not violated, when we experience the antitype? I cannot get away from the fact that Paul said sabbath was a shadow of things to come. The body which cast those shadows is Jesus and everything about Him, just as he is the burnt sacrifice, trespass offering, etc., etc..

mfblume · #**405** 01-10-2020, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Nonsense.

Paul is speaking directly in the current time:

“Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

Th claim this is a back-writing is a scholastic and English language absurdity, scholastic-gymnastic backflips.

Paul was precise with his words (e.g. “Now”) and tenses.

Sorry, but that sounds like the idea that Paul used present tense to note that sabbat "is" a shadow of things to come.

I maintain my position. Paul explained that when anyone makes a statement at any given time such as the news of a NEW thing, at that moment the old begins to vanish away. This maintains the comprehensive reading and the grammar involved.

mfblume · #**406** 01-10-2020, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery

All 500 convoluted rambling, repetitive dodgeball posts?

You're getting nasty now. No need for that.

mfblume · #**407** 01-10-2020, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Can you remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, doing your work on the other 6 days and not doing your work on the seventh day, which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, "spiritually", while NOT remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy, while doing work on that day instead of the other six?

If you can, then you can honour your father and mother, "spiritually", while not actually doing anything for them.

Again, sabbath was said to be a shadow not the other ten commandments.

mfblume · #**408** 01-10-2020, 03:01 PM

Can someone respond to posts 379 and 380, for the issue of compulsion to sin by an irresistible force is very vital to my understanding in all of this?

Thanks!

mfblume · #**409** 01-10-2020, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ok, it looks like we are moving towards a hair pulling contest. Which makes for a thread to resemble a James LeDeay discussion on the Hebrew copy of the Revelation. So, I’ll ask the question for both sides. Why Sunday?

I am losing interest here since I really enjoyed it earlier. Posts like #375 started putting in some attitude, and I admit I responded similarly. But I don't think I got nasty like #393 and #390. That was unwarranted.

I wish this could return to the joy it was before that started.

Anyway, I think the church started gathering on Sundays due to Christ's resurrection and repeated events like the next week with Thomas and later references to the first day of the week. Not as a holy day, though

Evang.Benincasa · #**410** 01-10-2020, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I am losing interest here since I really enjoyed it earlier. Posts like #375 started putting in some attitude, and I admit I responded similarly. But I don't think I got nasty like #393 and #390. That was unwarranted.

I wish this could return to the joy it was before that started.

Anyway, I think the church started gathering on Sundays due to Christ's resurrection and repeated events like the next week with Thomas and later references to the first day of the week. Not as a holy day, though

Stay, keep posting. this is all good. Listen, it is no way near James LeDeay discussion. How long did we fly that circus? Please keep posting.