What's the difference?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by n david

I logged in this morning and thought about deleting AFF. May instead just start using the ignore feature.

It's one thing to debate an issue. It's something else to have post after post promoting drinking alcohol or using marijuana.

And then there's the incessant whining about beards and bashing of ministers, pastor and churches.

Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm in an apostolic forum or some secular forum.

Man ain't that the truth!!

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No prohibition. No excuses equating beards with the tentacles of the Cthulu. No threats of Hell. No saying, "I'm the Pope, I can make up all the rules of your spiritual life as I go, based merely on my opinion, so... if you disagree with me, you'll burn." None of that spiritually immature and foolish nonsense.

What if I told you God allows His man to set standards? And in so going against it even bickering and making fun as you and others do on here, you are really coming against God.

I have chapter and verse for this you ready?

Exodus 19:9-13 "the Lord said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the Lord. [10] And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, [11] And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. [12] And THOU SHALT SET BOUNDS UNTO ThE PEOPLE round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: [13] There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely bestoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount."

Now let's start with verse 12, where does a a Mountain start? He clearly told Moses to set up boundaries for this by his discretion. And to execute judgement even.

Now look at 10-11 what did God tell Moses "And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify d them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, [11] And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai."

Now let's look at what Moses tells the people..
Go with me to verse 14-15 "And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes. [15] AND HE SAID UNTO THE PEOPLE, BE READY AGAINST THE THIRD DAY: COME NOT AT YOUR WIVES."

Now, Moses totally added that I'm verse 15. You would call that legalistic, but guess what Goes anointed man has that authority and right. It's the same as God saying it.

Ok New Testament example. Acts 15:24-29 "FORASMUCH AS WE HAVE HEARD, THAT CERTAIN WHICH WENT OUT FROM US HAVE TROUBLED YOU WITH WORDS, SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, SAYING, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: [25] It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, [26] Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. [27] We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. [28] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; [29] That ye abstain from meats aa offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: ab from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Now let's go ahead to the beginning of Chapter 16:1-3 "Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: [2] Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. [3] HIM WOULD PAUL HAVE TO GO FORTH WITH HIM; AND TOOK AND CIRCUMCISED HIM because of the Jews which were in those a quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek."

Now do you see that? The Holy Ghost just decreed they didn't have to be Holy Ghost, but God's man in the very next Chapter took Tomothy and circumcised him. More extra bibical revelation, is Paul now a legalist, and needs to repent of going back to his pharaseeical ways?

I say it like this, I'd rather have to shave then be circumcised and you didn't see Timothy complaining. Sounds like to me he was the one truthfully under the gun or the knife if you will! There's standards Al through out the scripture, and when it comes to God's anointed man, to go against Him is Spiritually the same as going against God. To do that just to some guy who.leads a chrucb is a lot different then going against God's anointed in a place that is truthfully His church. Every place that says church, or Call's theirself Pentecostal, or even Apostolic for that matter, doesn't automatically fall under this category. But if it does, and that's Gods candlestick, and thats God's man His anointed messenger, then you are fighting against God Himself no ifs, and's,or but's. Beware!

Matter of fact I'm going to copy and paste this elsewhere while I'm here.!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No prohibition. No excuses equating beards with the tentacles of the Cthulu.

It is spelled "Cthulhu."

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It is spelled "Cthulhu."

Herbert West here isn't known for his orthographical skills.

[Wilsonwas]

[QUOTE=1ofthechosen;1542154]What if I told you God allows His man to set standards? And in so going against it even bickering and making fun as you and others do on here, you are really coming against God.


Wilsonwas:
Nope, God sets the only standards that count. He is the good shepard. A pastor is a teacher and the lead organizer, not a law giver.


Back to quote:
I have chapter and verse for this you ready?

Exodus 19:9-13 "the Lord said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the Lord. [10] And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, [11] And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. [12] And THOU SHALT SET BOUNDS UNTO ThE PEOPLE round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: [13] There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely bestoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount."

Now let's start with verse 12, where does a a Mountain start? He clearly told Moses to set up boundaries for this by his discretion. And to execute judgement even.

Now look at 10-11 what did God tell Moses "And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify d them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, [11] And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai."

Now let's look at what Moses tells the people..
Go with me to verse 14-15 "And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes. [15] AND HE SAID UNTO THE PEOPLE, BE READY AGAINST THE THIRD DAY: COME NOT AT YOUR WIVES."

Now, Moses totally added that I'm verse 15. You would call that legalistic, but guess what Goes anointed man has that authority and right. It's the same as God saying it.

Wilsonwas:
Utterly different situation, Moses was the man appointed to lead them and give them the law, and spoke directly with god, who got angry enough with him for striking the rock later on,instead of speaking to it.(adding his own action out of anger and ad libing) that he was denied entrance to the promised land. Dont think that fully qualifies your near deification, or at least pontification of a pastor. A guy that ad libbed and got punished for it after a certain # of errors - really?


Back to quote:

Ok New Testament example. Acts 15:24-29 "FORASMUCH AS WE HAVE HEARD, THAT CERTAIN WHICH WENT OUT FROM US HAVE TROUBLED YOU WITH WORDS, SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, SAYING, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: [25] It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, [26] Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. [27] We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. [28] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; [29] That ye abstain from meats aa offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: ab from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Now let's go ahead to the beginning of Chapter 16:1-3 "Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: [2] Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. [3] HIM WOULD PAUL HAVE TO GO FORTH WITH HIM; AND TOOK AND CIRCUMCISED HIM because of the Jews which were in those a quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek."

Now do you see that? The Holy Ghost just decreed they didn't have to be Holy Ghost, but God's man in the very next Chapter took Tomothy and circumcised him. More extra bibical revelation, is Paul now a legalist, and needs to repent of going back to his pharaseeical ways?

I say it like this, I'd rather have to shave then be circumcised and you didn't see Timothy complaining. Sounds like to me he was the one truthfully under the gun or the knife if you will! There's standards Al through out the scripture, and when it comes to God's anointed man, to go against Him is Spiritually the same as going against God. To do that just to some guy who.leads a chrucb is a lot different then going against God's anointed in a place that is truthfully His church. Every place that says church, or Call's theirself Pentecostal, or even Apostolic for that matter, doesn't automatically fall under this category. But if it does, and that's Gods candlestick, and thats God's man His anointed messenger, then you are fighting against God Himself no ifs, and's,or but's. Beware!

Wilsonwas;
Ur, nuts if you think that orders circumcision- its right past where you stopped bolding-
SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, SAYING, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:? Can you read, He says this of people subverting the Gospel - then adds we gave no such commandment.......smh
In the next bit you quote it seems the circumsision was carried out to appease some jews, not for a NT commandment.
"because of the Jews which were in those a quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek."
Again you miss the later verses- For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; [29] That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: and from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

According to this dingbat doctrine you propose - if your pastor says, purple polka dot hats or hell - everyone would have to don a dotted fedora.

We are to follow the man as he follows Christ - when he ad libs and starts hitting rocks, we can ignore, or move on.

Wow, man ....just wow

[berkeley]

It appears that he has read Larry’s Booker’s What A Difference A Line Can Make. Beother Booker is a fine Christian gentleman, I have NEVER heard anything bad about him. But, that book is trash. I’m sorry, there’s no other way I can describe it.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by berkeley

It appears that he has read Larry’s Booker’s What A Difference A Line Can Make. Beother Booker is a fine Christian gentleman, I have NEVER heard anything bad about him. But, that book is trash. I’m sorry, there’s no other way I can describe it.

Never read the book but wanted to. Although I've heard the message, I have it on my page. But that's not at all where I got it from.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Never read the book but wanted to. Although I've heard the message, I have it on my page. But that's not at all where I got it from.

Post the message.

I don't know anything about the book.

Now I want a copy.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Honesty, ownership, and respect. That's something ya don't see everyday.

No, you don't see many people take ownership of their statements (or posts), unfortunately. Some tend to run and hide, hoping the moment will pass and then they'll come back and pretend it never happened.

[Wilsonwas]

Originally Posted by berkeley

It appears that he has read Larry’s Booker’s What A Difference A Line Can Make. Beother Booker is a fine Christian gentleman, I have NEVER heard anything bad about him. But, that book is trash. I’m sorry, there’s no other way I can describe it.

Can you summarize a bit?