The UPC is a dying movement!

[shazeep]

dang, i'm sorry, it's this one

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do you 'question how the future lies in someone's eyes'?

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Originally Posted by houston

Just now?

oh

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I didn't like hearing how I was a sinner in need of Christ, but thank God somebody told me, otherwise I would have died in my sins.

ok, but in this light how do you feel when i tell you that you are still lost, and going to hell? and that i can "prove" it to any reader's and your satisfaction?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ok, but in this light how do you feel when i tell you that you are still lost, and going to hell? and that i can "prove" it to any reader's and your satisfaction?

I'd say go ahead, let's see the proof.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I'd say go ahead, let's see the proof.

so, to put that another way, you dismiss the "you are lost" part, right?

And, to dramatize a bit, if you initially dismiss it, and after doing so i insist once again that you are lost--and we are for the sake of argument face to face here, in a group discussion, let's say--and going to hell if you do not come to understand "accepting Christ" the way i do, what is going to be your attitude then? Truthfully. Surrounded by peers, and being informed for a second time that you are going to hell, in no uncertain terms.

[shazeep]

Thomas Jefferson said it well:
"If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by shazeep

if you admit that it is about where your heart is, but then condemn doctrines, even though Catholics are people, there is obviously a disconnect there, which becomes revealed imo when i tell you that you are lost, Esaias, and will perish unless you come to know Christ. What is your honest response to this?

Perhaps the same response the Apostle Peter would give to Simon the sorcerer, or the Apostle John would give to Diotrophes, or Paul would give to the Judaizers.

You saying someone is lost or that they need to repent has no credibility, because you deny the necessity of repentance and the exclusivity of salvation in Christ alone.

[shazeep]

well, but that is just an opinion, yours, that i might argue by, say, pointing out that i follow the Word of Christ, as best i know how, unlike the sorcerer guy or the greek guy, who i don't think you could argue ever expressed that faith, or told Peter et al that they were lost. So this ends up being a way to justify oneself, and avoid answering the question to boot, or at the very least a way to dismiss the question out of hand, it seems. Further proof might be seen by E's answer to my question, put the second time, wherein i once again provided an out below, rather than posing the question all by itself. Iow an honest answer to my question cannot be obtained, because it would illuminate the error, just as an unbiased poll could not be posted.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

so, to put that another way, you dismiss the "you are lost" part, right?

And, to dramatize a bit, if you initially dismiss it, and after doing so i insist once again that you are lost--and we are for the sake of argument face to face here, in a group discussion, let's say--and going to hell if you do not come to understand "accepting Christ" the way i do, what is going to be your attitude then? Truthfully. Surrounded by peers, and being informed for a second time that you are going to hell, in no uncertain terms.

If you say I am lost, and can prove it, then do it.