Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by shazeep
oh--um, "I'm not judging you; the Bible is judging you!"
but seriously, God Himself came down and told you not to judge foreigners; do what you want, EB.
Seriously God didn't come down and say anything remotely close to what you are saying. This is why I believe you are a troll, because you make comments to just get a reaction. Bad one, but still a reaction.
Shazeep can you see your face in this gif?
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by Ferd
So Shazeep, did Paul violate your principle when he said those that brought another gospel were damned?
Ferd, i'm sure you are aware that the context there is "in your church," tho, and nobody has brought any other gospels into your church--except, of course, "All Muslims Are Lost," which just condemns you again. Yes, Scripture is written so that you may legally condemn whomever you like, as you can also be condemned with Scripture. If that is what your heart tells you to do, then i honestly have no desire to condemn you, but i will say that Paul is not going to reap the fruit of "Alla them there folk hoo aint like us isa goin ta hail" with you.
We all have internet now, so claiming ignorance of the fruit here is not going to work too well. Dead people are washing ashore as the result of "All Muslims Are Lost" now, Ferd. ISIS is a direct result, also. Posterity will put the blame on us, and the Bible will testify against us. I bet i could give you 100 verses that directly or indirectly counsel against this suicidal position--but of course no one here wants to delve into those--they would rather reiterate ad nauseum "Acts 2:38" and "Paul," lawyer-style, in between calling me a troll and worse.
No one has yet suggested that you accept any other Gospel, Muslims included. I know this, because Muslims do not proselytize. Like Christ, Who does not share your hate-gospel.
Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by Ferd
"IF I or anyone else comes to you with any other gospel other than the one we have already brought you, let him be anathema"
That's pretty clear.
what's pretty clear, Ferd, is no Muslim has ever darkened your doorstep with this or any other message, and you cannot accept Christ with your mouth, like you lawyers tell people all the time that you can, which is why your elders are publically peeking down the front of women's dresses in all boldness, and your leaders have the world on fire. I blame you, and i am not alone. This is the friendly warning, k?
Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
1 Corinthians 5:12-13 is talking about God judging and condemning perverts who are without the church, the apostle wasn't saying that perverts were saved because they weren't in the church. It isn't even about salvation, the apostle's main point was that the saints would have to interact with all the scum outside their fellowship, one issue as in commerce. They were still to be light and salt as they interacted with the world. But incestuous relationships were not allowed to continue within the church family. Paul's logic is concerning being in FELLOWSHIP, not salvation. His letter tells them to not be in communion with perverts as brothers and sisters, but he goes on to say not those who are in the world, because then the saint would have to physically leave the world.
It is all you say, but of course you are ignoring the pertinent part, which is that it is for God to judge outsiders. We'll just repost it, shall we; seems pretty self-explanatory.
12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
So now, explain to me again what you have to do with judging outsiders. By all means, judge your peers--that is what you guys are famous for. It is you who are lost, with all due respect, if you do not purge anyone spewing hate and judgement outside your church.
Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by shazeep
Ferd, i'm sure you are aware that the context there is "in your church," tho, and nobody has brought any other gospels into your church--except, of course, "All Muslims Are Lost," which just condemns you again. Yes, Scripture is written so that you may legally condemn whomever you like, as you can also be condemned with Scripture. If that is what your heart tells you to do, then i honestly have no desire to condemn you, but i will say that Paul is not going to reap the fruit of "Alla them there folk hoo aint like us isa goin ta hail" with you.
We all have internet now, so claiming ignorance of the fruit here is not going to work too well. Dead people are washing ashore as the result of "All Muslims Are Lost" now, Ferd. ISIS is a direct result, also. Posterity will put the blame on us, and the Bible will testify against us. I bet i could give you 100 verses that directly or indirectly counsel against this suicidal position--but of course no one here wants to delve into those--they would rather reiterate ad nauseum "Acts 2:38" and "Paul," lawyer-style, in between calling me a troll and worse.
No one has yet suggested that you accept any other Gospel, Muslims included. I know this, because Muslims do not proselytize. Like Christ, Who does not share your hate-gospel.
two things.
1. you didn't answer the question. WAS PAUL in violation of your edict?
2. Muslims don't proselytize? Bro. you need to walk that back. I mean you want people to take you seriously. its important if one is making what they believe to be a serious argument to actually be serious. and be taken seriously. because right about now, aint nobody is taking you seriously. walk that one back bro....
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by Ferd
two things.
1. you didn't answer the question. WAS PAUL in violation of your edict?
2. Muslims don't proselytize? Bro. you need to walk that back. I mean you want people to take you seriously. its important if one is making what they believe to be a serious argument to actually be serious. and be taken seriously. because right about now, aint nobody is taking you seriously. walk that one back bro....
i'm pretty sure Paul stuck to "Judge not, lest you be judged," and reserved his condemnation for evildoers within the church. I am not here to critique Paul. 2) Then by all means list all of the times Muslims have approached you or yours to convert you to Islam, and we might go from there. But that would not change how you are called to conduct yourself, imo.
Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by Ferd
oh my goodness.
they are currently cutting peoples heads off for not being the right kind of muslim.
and muslims that don't like it will admit that it is utterly and completely orthodox to do so.
Ya, and you are currently condoning drone bombing and other atrocities, and you are Big Brother here. So "they" are about as Muslim as you are Christian. We made ISIS, and still fund it, and there is some pretty decent evidence that a lot of those beheadings are staged, just like that botched clown-show reporter's "live murder" a couple weeks ago. Those are all lost people, not following their dogma regardless of their claims, and your assertion that the vast majority of practicing Muslims condone violence is not true.
The truth of the matter is that your Gov is a Rothschild puppet run amok, and our news is all lies. You really want to talk about being taken seriously? Your troops guard poppy fields, and the CIA is the biggest coke dealer in the land, and they aren't even trying to hide it much anymore. Parroting their version of the news after they have gone to all the trouble to assert in court that they are not bound by truth in reporting it is pretty hollow, don't you think? I'd be more impressed with links from The Onion.
None of that would justify y'alls blanket condemnation, anyway--you shouldn't need me to tell you that. You guys are trying to use Paul against Muslims, when Paul is against you, the corruptors of Christ's Gospel in the Church.
Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
You wanna stick to judging, you go ahead; i can't stop you. But i would go back to persecuting church members for lapsed standards if i were you--at least then you may safely veer from Scripture. All of Scripture.
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