Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, how do you know? if you are spouting exactly what they are spouting, how is one to tell? I suspect your Christianity is statist, wadr. And that you are compelled to reduce me to an object--a troll in this case--in order to defend your position. If you fly their flag, use their money, and send your sons to guard their poppy fields...

Wait a minute, you use their money, you buy their products, unless you live in a mud hut somewhere. Fish, hunt, and produce food through 3rd world agriculture. Do you live in the middle of nowhere, and the computer you use is powered by a hamster on a treadmill? You make me laugh, everything from the computer you use, to the clothes you wear in some way originated with the Empire of the United States of America. Make no bones about that, this is why I call you a troll, because you don't even know what you are talking about. I proved how you didn't even know anything about the memes you post. Therefore I can't take you seriously concerning your postings.

Fly their flag? use their money? You use their money, because if the United States was to vanish tomorrow you would have to become a survivalist mighty quick. She is an empire, and empire have to die a slow death while being replaced by another empire so there isn't a vacuum situation. Yet, trying to explain that bit of information to you is like teaching a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and it annoys the pig. We don't spout what statists spout, therefore this proves you don't even know what is a statist.

Also, you aren't being reduced to a Trolling Hater, because you have always been a Trolling Hater. Therefore you cannot be downgraded to anything lower. Also me saying that about you isn't to defend a position, it is just merely an observation of your obnoxious behavior.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

suit yourself--but i can easily show you how it comes directly from "They are lost," sir.

How many pages is this thread? You have been unable to do what you claim, you are just a hater.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Of course you can, just like you said belief has little transformative power.

[shazeep]

well, you guys believe, yet you still oppress others, and you are still obviously bigots, so, i would say that the quote maybe has a valid point. How have you been transformed?

Originally Posted by mfblume

You make it sound like we cannot use Christ's words objectively and apply them to any situation to know if we can be saved or not.

ok, at least we are talking about ourselves here. In Christ's Words, "The way you measure to others is how it will be measured to you," will apply, obviously to ourselves. The Samaritan parable, also Christ's Words, where we are told to "go and do likewise." You can add "Women may be saved in childbirth" if you like, and actually a bunch of others, if you ever get so sure of yourself that you think you are fit to judge where someone else is with God, if you have not witnessed them "hold out to the end."

So with all due respect, if you cannot reply for the Samaritan, you cannot use Christ's Words objectively. If you stop at belief, and do not show faith, you will naturally have to insist that everyone believe like you do--and ignore the same passages you do--so that you do not have to examine whether you are actually lost or not; nevermind whether the Samaritan is actually saved.

[shazeep]

and i see that you will continue to believe i said "Muslims are saved," no matter how many times i deny it; so go ahead. I hardly expect you to change your minds right now. However, when 5, and then 20 years go by, and you have not advanced in your walk (not even speaking to you who have already arrived at your final destination, now) and you still hold that "All Muslims are lost," perhaps you will recall this exchange, and remember.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, you guys believe, yet you still oppress others, and you are still obviously bigots, so, i would say that the quote maybe has a valid point. How have you been transformed?

Judge away, in hypocrisy.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

and i see that you will continue to believe i said "Muslims are saved," no matter how many times i deny it; so go ahead. I hardly expect you to change your minds right now. However, when 5, and then 20 years go by, and you have not advanced in your walk (not even speaking to you who have already arrived at your final destination, now) and you still hold that "All Muslims are lost," perhaps you will recall this exchange, and remember.

I never concluded you said that at all
Read next time.

[mfblume]

Belief is faith, by the way.

[mfblume]

John 6: 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. note
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Gives eternal life. Who wudda thought? !

Mark 16: 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Not believing damns? Yep.

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

...And they said belief doesn't transform.

Gal 3: 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Being made righteous is transformation to the ultimate degree.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, you guys believe, yet you still oppress others, and you are still obviously bigots,

Click! Back on ignore.