Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

are you like maybe just a little bit hung up on disqualifying people you don't even know based upon this preoccupation with salvation by works?

WIIS told me salvation is by works. I saw how that belief is Islamic doctrine. The bible condemns that belief and says those who adhere to it and obey it are lost. Since the muslim doctrine is part and parcel with salvation by works, then I said muslims are lost. You said I cannot say that. I am showing you that your reasonings incredibly flawed.

If you have seen that salvation by works is pointless, then by all means do not practice salvation by works.

You still cannot get it. let alone don't. The Bible teaches one is lost if one seeks salvation by works. And so I do not practice salvation by works. How hard is that to understand?

I never said anything about Muslims, period, except that you are deceived if you imagine that you are qualified to judge them based upon your dogma, or, failing to understand how your own dogma makes that impossible, your doctrines.

How many times must I say, I did not judge anyone? God's word did! And I repeated the word.

Carrying one's cross has implications for where your eyes might be cast that just are not being comprehended here. You are obviously still trying to justify the phrase "All Muslims are lost."

I am trying to justify the obvious fact that you seem to be unique in not comprehending that the bible says seeking salvation by works means you are lost, and therefore those who seek salvation by works are lost. And since muslims seek salvation by works, then the bible, not me, said they're lost. Did you get a snippet of that this time?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

um...ya. We're done here, good day to you guys.

You were done a long time ago. lol

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Originally Posted by shazeep

granted, that was shorthand. The point is that when one feels qualified to start pointing fingers, they are not doing either.

So now it's pointing fingers to tell someone they're lost if they do what the bible says will make one lost?

okaaaay. lol

WOW.

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Shazeep, your reasoning is like this:

1) The bible says sin sends people to hell.
2) So we tell people if they sin they are lost.
3) We are therefore judgmental.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

How many times must I say, I did not judge anyone? God's word did! And I repeated the word.

funny of all the Words you might pick to repeat, you pick those. That is the point. You choose to be an Accuser. My guess about your "works" fixation is that you and WII had different understandings of the word; you most likely thinking Job, while he thought Good Samaritan. Faith without works is dead, also, why not repeat that? Oh, because saying "All Muslims are lost" amounts to "without works."

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Originally Posted by shazeep

funny of all the Words you might pick to repeat, you pick those. That is the point. You choose to be an Accuser. My guess about your "works" fixation is that you and WII had different understandings of the word; you most likely thinking Job, while he thought Good Samaritan. Faith without works is dead, also, why not repeat that? Oh, because saying "All Muslims are lost" amounts to "without works."

You cannot answer me can you?

You cannot answer: How does WII and I have a different view of the word when the word teaches salvation by works will make a person lost? Why can you not answer that?

It is being an accuser to say those who live by salvation by works are lost, merely repeating the word? How so? Please answer this time.

Of course I believe faith without works is dead. lol. But faith produces those works. And salvation by works does not have that faith. You are not reading anything I say. I address those issues and you ignore them. I ask question to make my point and you cannot answer them.

I never said we do not need good works. i said good works don't save us. Did you get it this time? Or are you still ignoring what i write?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

funny of all the Words you might pick to repeat, you pick those. That is the point. You choose to be an Accuser. My guess about your "works" fixation is that you and WII had different understandings of the word; you most likely thinking Job, while he thought Good Samaritan. Faith without works is dead, also, why not repeat that? Oh, because saying "All Muslims are lost" amounts to "without works."

Do you smoke a big fatty before you post?

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Shazeep. How would you answer a muslim who asked this?

"The bible says salvation by works is a doctrine that will cause a soul to be lost. I believe and practice the doctrine of salvation by works. Am I lost?"

Trying to figure out how you think the way you do.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You cannot answer me can you?

You cannot answer: How does WII and I have a different view of the word when the word teaches salvation by works will make a person lost? Why can you not answer that?

It is being an accuser to say those who live by salvation by works are lost, merely repeating the word? How so? Please answer this time.

Of course I believe faith without works is dead. lol. But faith produces those works. And salvation by works does not have that faith. You are not reading anything I say. I address those issues and you ignore them. I ask question to make my point and you cannot answer them.

I never said we do not need good works. i said good works don't save us. Did you get it this time? Or are you still ignoring what i write?

yes, it is being an accuser. I am not meaning to blame you, it is just peoples' nature. There are no issues to address, in other people; that is an illusion. You are attempting to pick a splinter from someone else's eye. It is just original sin, i guess, and we are obviously having two different conversations. You might just recall this when 5--or 10, or 20...then 40--years go by without any evolution in your faith, which i have no doubt is as genuine as what you were shown. If it serves you, that is what matters.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do you smoke a big fatty before you post?

does that really make you feel any better?