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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
More is revealed about you than me on this issue.
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Really? I have pointed out the perversion of your profit. You cannot deny the fact that he married a 6 year old girl and consummated that marriage when she was only 9 years old. Neither can you deny that islam teaches that it is okay to marry a prepubescent girl
TODAY.
Not just centuries ago but it’s okay for today, according to islam.
Here it is once again
according to your deity:
Marrying a young girl before she reaches the age of adolescence is permitted in sharee’ah; indeed it was narrated that there was scholarly consensus on this point.
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Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise”
[al-Talaaq 65:4]
In this verse we see that
Allaah has made the ‘iddah in the case of divorce of a girl who does not have periods – because she is young and has not yet reached puberty – three months. This clearly indicates that
Allaah has made this a valid marriage.
There is Islamic scholarly consensus that their deity has made this a valid marriage.
Also,
Ibn Qudaamah (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Sharh al-Kabeer, 7/386:
With regard to females, the father may
give his minor, virgin daughter who has
not yet reached the age of nine in marriage, and there is no difference of opinion concerning that, if he gives her in marriage to someone who is compatible.
Ibn al-Mundhir said: All of those scholars from whom we acquired knowledge unanimously agreed that it is permissible for a father to give his minor daughter in marriage if he arranges her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to do that even if she is reluctant. End quote.
Your deity is a pedophile.
All you have done is try to justify the heinous acts then and now. So, what is your fascination with justifying such bad behavior? It’s quite obvious when someone attacks another, personally with innuendo, that perhaps they have a deep seated motivation for attempting to silence the other person by the ad hominem attack. What is your obsession with justifying such abhorrent behavior? Why do you adhere to a religious system that is inherently evil? Why seek to justify the evil of that system?
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Revealed about you: Obsessed with the topic of sex and children. Not healthy.
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What is NOT healthy is the obsession with justifying such abhorrent behavior. Anyone who seeks justice and righteousness will seek to reveal to the world the evil of such systematic manipulation and abhorrent behavior. Why anyone would stay in a religious system that is so inherently evil and then try to justify that evil is incomprehensible. Some people are so deceived they cannot nor, will not accept the truth when someone shines a little light upon it.
When their failed attempts at justification are revealed they turn to attack mode. A tragedy that has been displayed here. A tragedy that someone can be so deceived that they cannot see the inherent perversion of their chosen religious system.
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Revealed about me: Not a single word has been penned in any book of God's laws on this issue. For a jillionth time - that does not put me in a position to judge something that happened 1400 years ago.
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By god’s laws whose “deity” do you refer? Based upon your deity it has been penned and is therefore inherent in the religion of islam. Little girls, who should be spending time playing with little dolls, are the manipulated objective of old men seeking them for their own private lusts. Fact – Muhammad was a pedophile.
Pedophilia is inherent within islam TODAY. Your deity has no problem with this abhorrent behavior and apparently you don’t either. Shame on you. Shame on such a system.
Also, it is interesting that you say you cannot judge something that happened 1400 years ago. Yet, you judge Christianity every chance you get for things that happened centuries ago. I guess that would make you a hypocrite. Of course that is okay because you do this to justify the evil inherent in your religious system. How truly sad. Christians accept the truth and stand against the evil even when supposed Christians perform the evil. Mohammedans instead seek to justify rather than correct the evil. They continue the evil and attack those who point it out.
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Don't let that stop you. Judge all you want. "So What" if you do though? I am not really seeing your (much wiser) colleagues jumping in with scriptures to support your rants on this. At least one of us knows there aren't any. In fact your scriptures support the Islamic view more than they support your own. We should study them together. Do I need to schedule a "storytime" for you and whomp on your opinions for awhile with the back side of your bible?
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LOL! Another ad hominem attack of “my much wiser colleagues”. How sad. Since it has been revealed that you cannot defend the indefensible you resort to personal attacks. What a tragedy. No the Bible does NOT support the Islamic view of pedophilia. Just another sick and twisted attempt to justify a sick religious system. Reminds me of Php. 3:19 and
2 Pet. 3:16.
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Let's play "fun with numbers"
“ Rabbi Solomon in his comment on Genesis, says that Rebecca, when she was married to Isaac, was but three Years of Age. His words run thus, ‘When Abraham was come from Mount Moria, he received the joyful News of Rebecca. Isaac was at that Time Thirty seven years old; and then did Sarah die. The time, from birth of Isaac to the death of Sarah, was Thirty seven Years, And Sarah was Ninety Years old when Isaac was born; and One Hundred and Twenty Seven Years old when she died: As it is said in Gen 23:1 . Sarah was one hundred and twenty-seven years old. Behold, the Age of Isaac was Thirty Seven Years, at the Time of the Birth of Rebecca. And when he had waited for her three Years, till she was fit for marriage, he took her to wife.”
According to this Account, Rebecca was a very notable Girl at three years of age. But that a girl of three Years old is fit for marriage, is maintained very plainly in the Jewish writings; particularly, in Emek Hamelech, in the following passage, ‘our blessed sags, of blessed memory, say, that a female is not fit for marriage, ‘till she is arrived at the Age of three years and one day.’ The Talmud supports these Sages here, in the part entitled Avoda Sara. And the Sanhedrin says, A daughter, who is of the age of three years and one day, is, by being bedded with a Man, lawfully married."
Is this math not in your bible friend? Is your bible infallible or not? Do you declare, in place of God Himself, Isaac to be a pedophile? Do you declare Orthodox Jews to be pedophiles? |
How utterly ridiculous! I was wondering how long it would take you to attempt to twist scriptures to your own destruction! ROTFL!
Hmmm… Let’s see, the book of Rabbi Solomon is sandwiched between Hezekiah and Isayith. ROTFL!
Now concerning Rebekah. Although the Biblical record does not give her age it does give clues.
One such clue is the fact that she went alone to water (
Gen. 24:15).
She carried her water pot on her shoulder (
Gen. 24:15).
She was attractive (ESV states she was a “young WOMAN”)
Gen. 24:16).
She went down and filled her pot without assistance (
Gen. 24:16).
She also poured water for all of Abraham’s servants’ camels until they finished drinking! No easy task! (
Gen. 24:19).
She had the mental abilities to know the state of her father’s house (
Gen. 24:25).
She had the mental capacity to make a marriage decision on her own (
Gen. 24:57-58).
A 3 year old girl could not do any of these things. I don’t know what’s funnier. Your miserable attempt to justify your religions’ systematic manipulation of little girls or your poor exegesis of scripture. Oh wait you didn’t use scripture! LOL! You chose to use some Rabbi’s writings which I have already stated has no authority because no one here recognizes the Talmud as divinely inspired. So once again we see a very poor attempt at a moral equivalence that does not exist. There is none. You might get away with that claptrap with a Jew but not here on an Apostolic forum.
The Biblical evidence is clear. Rebekah was of such maturity, physically and mentally, that she could draw water for camels, a difficult task, and know the state of her father’s house. The ESV got it right. Rebekah was a young WOMAN.
The Bible is indeed infallible. The Talmud or other Jewish writings are not.
Once again you have shown your inability to reason. All you try to do is justify the abhorrent behavior of your religion. It is a sick and twisted religion that has codified within its “holy writings” such perversion as pedophilia. It was sick and twisted then and it is sick and twisted today! What is worse is that you would attempt, poorly, to defend such abhorrent behavior.
When will you acknowledge that this is sick behavior?
When will you acknowledge that the Islamic religious system is morally bankrupt?
When will you repent?
When will you leave such an oppressive and manipulative system?
Or are you so deceived that you cannot and will not under any circumstances, no matter how many facts are given, accept the fact that islam is a disgusting system?
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