I think...getting away from accusing someone of perversion, the problem with Islam is
Many Islamics believe and practice murder, lies,kidnapping, rape and pedophilia as a part of their religious beliefs
Many Islamics claim to not but often won't condemn those that do then or are sympathetic towards these groups like Hamas
Many Islamics just do not agree at all with all these acts and groups BUT...the problem is, while condemning them they are actually condemning the founder of their religion
Muhammad was a man of war. Jesus was of Peace.
Muhammad and his followers warred against the Meccans. They raided towns, killing the man and taking women and girls as slaves, later to be married off
"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)
Book 008, Number 3371: Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
WII and other Moderate Muslims have condemned these sorts of actions by their own prophet and his direct followers
WII you avoided everything then your comment about Jesus actually ignored Jesus and instead focused on people who were NOT Jesus as if they were.
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WII you avoided everything then your comment about Jesus actually ignored Jesus and instead focused on people who were NOT Jesus as if they were.
Who ignored Jesus? Please re-interpret my comment on times of peace to include all days from birth of Jesus to present.
I generously included you and your peaceful fellow Christians. Has there been one Christian place, one nation, one period of time, that you can use to demonstrate your peaceful nature? God knows Christianity has blazed much further across the globe than Islam has.
What nations or peoples have you brought peace too? Is there even one?
Okay YOUR answer is that an old man marrying a 6 year old girl is NOT perversion.
What a despicable religion you have.
Oh and BTW I think ANYONE marerying a 6 year old is SICK!!! I could care less if he calls himself a Christian or a Muslim Prophet.
As a "holy man" (which he surely was NOT) he should be set to a higher standard. Also, since he is the one Mulsims look up to and seek to emulate this perversion is part of the Islamic tradition.
Jesus on the other hand was HOLY and sets a far higher standard and is therefore a much better person to emulate. This alone makes Christianity far superior to the perversion of Islam.
In your excitement to attribute words to me (twisting another's words is just another form of a lie actually) I will remind you that I said that from a historical perspective the definition of perversion seems to be subjective across religious boundaries followed by noting that I am not really in the position to define perversion in the context of history.
The way your ladies dress up today to go to church was once declared perversion (actually not so long ago). Your declaration is thus not special or unique in nature however based on the silence to answering my question from a biblical or Torah or any other perspective.
Perversion is doing something unacceptable or different in the eyes of current culture. Here is an example of current perversion and I believe this IS ALSO declared so in your bible, (as opposed to your personal views about events over a thousand years ago):
The president and CEO of a Missouri Baptist conference center is out of a job after a sheriff’s Cyber Crimes Task Force arrested him for allegedly arranging to have sex with a dog after posting an ad on Craigslist .
Jerald “Jerry” Hill, 56, of Camden County was arrested on Aug. 5th after setting up a meeting with an undercover officer for the purpose of having sex with a dog, according to the Columbia Daily Tribune.
According to Boone County sheriff’s Detective Tracy Perkins, her office received a tip that someone was seeking sex with a dog or other type of animal — which she did not specify — on Craigslist. An undercover officer exchanged emails with Hill offering a dog for sex. Subsequently, Hill was taken into custody in Columbia, MO., when he arrived anticipating a sexual tryst.
?As a "holy man" (which he surely was NOT) he should be set to a higher standard.?
Is that biblical? Though you care, God really doesn't seem to, perhaps He uses a different criteria than you do to determine what standard He declares to be righteous or what vessels He chooses to convey His plans or His message. THAT is sprinkled throughout your bible, as you well know. Abraham after all was boinking his sister - yet He somehow became the father of nations and was declared Righteous by God. Dunno maybe God got that wrong. What's your take? Everyone born of that union is perverted? Not good for your buddies the Jews. Both sides of the Jews actually - the Taliban Pashtuns that you bomb (should you be bombing Jews? What if they are SUPPOSED to eventually take Jerusalem back? What side does that put you on?) or the Israeli Zionists that you support.
Maybe you should write your OWN bible and teach from that since you have your own set of rules and all. God however makes his own.
And Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will kill me on account of my wife. But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
YET God said:
I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.[a]
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
‘Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ [Also see Leviticus 18:6–9.]
See how that works? That IS ALSO in your bible. Do you perhaps have an example to apply to Mohammed or Mohammed's actions? No? Alrightythen. Just make some stuff up.
Last edited by Walks_in_islam; 12-06-2014 at 06:24 AM.
In your excitement to attribute words to me (twisting another's words is just another form of a lie actually) I will remind you that I said that from a historical perspective the definition of perversion seems to be subjective across religious boundaries followed by noting that I am not really in the position to define perversion in the context of history.
The way your ladies dress up today to go to church was once declared perversion (actually not so long ago). Your declaration is thus not special or unique in nature however based on the silence to answering my question from a biblical or Torah or any other perspective.
Perversion is doing something unacceptable or different in the eyes of current culture. Here is an example of current perversion and I believe this IS ALSO declared so in your bible, (as opposed to your personal views about events over a thousand years ago):
The president and CEO of a Missouri Baptist conference center is out of a job after a sheriff’s Cyber Crimes Task Force arrested him for allegedly arranging to have sex with a dog after posting an ad on Craigslist .
Jerald “Jerry” Hill, 56, of Camden County was arrested on Aug. 5th after setting up a meeting with an undercover officer for the purpose of having sex with a dog, according to the Columbia Daily Tribune.
According to Boone County sheriff’s Detective Tracy Perkins, her office received a tip that someone was seeking sex with a dog or other type of animal — which she did not specify — on Craigslist. An undercover officer exchanged emails with Hill offering a dog for sex. Subsequently, Hill was taken into custody in Columbia, MO., when he arrived anticipating a sexual tryst.
?As a "holy man" (which he surely was NOT) he should be set to a higher standard.?
Is that biblical? Though you care, God really doesn't seem to, perhaps He uses a different criteria than you do to determine what standard He declares to be righteous or what vessels He chooses to convey His plans or His message. THAT is sprinkled throughout your bible, as you well know. Abraham after all was boinking his sister - yet He somehow became the father of nations and was declared Righteous by God. Dunno maybe God got that wrong. What's your take? Everyone born of that union is perverted? Not good for your buddies the Jews. Both sides of the Jews actually - the Taliban Pashtuns that you bomb (should you be bombing Jews? What if they are SUPPOSED to eventually take Jerusalem back? What side does that put you on?) or the Israeli Zionists that you support.
Maybe you should write your OWN bible and teach from that since you have your own set of rules and all. God however makes his own.
And Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will kill me on account of my wife. But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
YET God said:
I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.[a]
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
‘Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ [Also see Leviticus 18:6–9.]
See how that works? That IS ALSO in your bible. Do you perhaps have an example to apply to Mohammed or Mohammed's actions? No? Alrightythen. Just make some stuff up.
this is called deflection.
your wonderful faith has been shown to be a violent relgion and what do you do? well you cannot defend islam, so you try to point to bad stuff in other places to lessen the reality that your religion is a religion of death.
islams issue is islam. islams issue is not whatever might be or might have been wrong with some other religion.
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I've heard of Muslims marrying 9 year old girls, but not 6 year old girls. I also read that in most cases, these "child marriages" are more like betrothals. The marriage isn't consummated until the girl is "of age", in most primitive cultures, between 12 and 14.
A Muslim friend of mine, Ahmed, lives down the street from me. We're the only house on the block that welcomed him and his family. The little lady works fro St. Vincent de Paul charities. We've assisted them (they have four kids and are struggling) with food, clothes, furniture, etc. Ahmed has helped me with auto mechanic work, has given us food that they don't eat, and has helped us with transportation on occasion. One night he was working late and his wife came to our door not knowing what to do about her son who was suffering from a terrible ear infection. It was late and the only 24 hour Walgreen's was nearly 40 minutes away. I took her and her son so that she could get some decent medication for the boy until he could see a doctor. They've come over and talked on the porch with us for hours before. Ahmed is from Iraq and his wife Nina (?) is from Iran. They are Shiite. This past weekend Ahmed and his family left for Iraq, Basra. They are going to see family and show the kids their dad's homeland. The kids, especially Malak (his very lovely daughter) are a bit freaked out about ISIS. Ahmed's brother had become a Christian and was rounded up with a group of Christians and killed earlier this year by ISIS in the North. Ahmed was very torn up. Before they left, Ahmed gave me some kind of prayer beads. I'm not sure how to pray them or work them or anything, but it was a nice gesture. They are really pretty beads. They are hand made from Saudi Arabia. They are blood red. There's a very nice tassel where a cross would normally be if it were a Rosary. I put it on my rear view mirror to remind me to pray for him and his family until they get back next month. They promised to send some gifts from Iraq. I really don't mind, but I was joking with the little lady about opening the packages in the back yard away from the kids. lol
In your excitement to attribute words to me (twisting another's words is just another form of a lie actually) I will remind you that I said that from a historical perspective the definition of perversion seems to be subjective across religious boundaries followed by noting that I am not really in the position to define perversion in the context of history.
That's right "you're not in a position to define perversion". How utterly stupid. Like I said YOUR religion is despicable. Your "prophet" is a despicable pervert. No doubt the reason for you're aversion to understanding what perversio is.
The way your ladies dress up today to go to church was once declared perversion (actually not so long ago). Your declaration is thus not special or unique in nature however based on the silence to answering my question from a biblical or Torah or any other perspective.
Can anyone say obfuscation? Trying to justify the pervserion of your profit...
Perversion is doing something unacceptable or different in the eyes of current culture. Here is an example of current perversion and I believe this IS ALSO declared so in your bible, (as opposed to your personal views about events over a thousand years ago):
The president and CEO of a Missouri Baptist conference center is out of a job after a sheriff’s Cyber Crimes Task Force arrested him for allegedly arranging to have sex with a dog after posting an ad on Craigslist .
Jerald “Jerry” Hill, 56, of Camden County was arrested on Aug. 5th after setting up a meeting with an undercover officer for the purpose of having sex with a dog, according to the Columbia Daily Tribune.
According to Boone County sheriff’s Detective Tracy Perkins, her office received a tip that someone was seeking sex with a dog or other type of animal — which she did not specify — on Craigslist. An undercover officer exchanged emails with Hill offering a dog for sex. Subsequently, Hill was taken into custody in Columbia, MO., when he arrived anticipating a sexual tryst.
LOL! Your profit is STILL a pervert no matter how you try to justify his perversion!
?As a "holy man" (which he surely was NOT) he should be set to a higher standard.?
Is that biblical? Though you care, God really doesn't seem to, perhaps He uses a different criteria than you do to determine what standard He declares to be righteous or what vessels He chooses to convey His plans or His message. THAT is sprinkled throughout your bible, as you well know. Abraham after all was boinking his sister - yet He somehow became the father of nations and was declared Righteous by God. Dunno maybe God got that wrong. What's your take? Everyone born of that union is perverted? Not good for your buddies the Jews. Both sides of the Jews actually - the Taliban Pashtuns that you bomb (should you be bombing Jews? What if they are SUPPOSED to eventually take Jerusalem back? What side does that put you on?) or the Israeli Zionists that you support.
Maybe you should write your OWN bible and teach from that since you have your own set of rules and all. God however makes his own.
And Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will kill me on account of my wife. But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
YET God said:
I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.[a]
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
‘Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ [Also see Leviticus 18:6–9.]
See how that works? That IS ALSO in your bible. Do you perhaps have an example to apply to Mohammed or Mohammed's actions? No? Alrightythen. Just make some stuff up.
LOL! The calistenics a person goes through to justify the perversion of their profit. Notice these facts:
Muhammed married a 6 year old girl. He consumated that marriage when she was 9.
The mind is never so resourceful as wehen it seeks to justify itself! LOL!
When confronted with this truth all the Muslim can do is try to say he cannot determine what perversdion is! ROTFL.
It would be far better to accept that Islam is a perverted religion and repent.
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