Selling Out to Cash In.... Ex-Apostolics...

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

Methinks this thread will offend some here.....

Wrong forum.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Wasn't really attacking you personally but it seems to prevail among charismatics... and some liberal leaning folks...

I don't have a problem defending Biblical Standards set forth in the Word...

I am sure you don't have a problem defending them. You should have to defend them. You should follow them if you believe them and those that don't see or believe them should not be damned for not seeing it. I have been in the Apostolic faith for 20+ yrs and I have followed standards to be in the choir. That was a sacrifice I gave. I did not think that it was wrong then and now to wear shorts and rings. But sure there is to be limit. No over board stuff, but I do not think God has set forth things to be as tight as some of the Cons teach.

I do not think the Cons want to be controling by preaching dress codes, but it does end that way. On the other hand the Libs can not discount living right. I do not think that a dress code makes you or anyone more holy, but there is tact that needs to be used. No halter tops in public, but a short sleeve shirt...modest shorts, slacks, etc.

But this is about prosperity doctrine not the hem lengths.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by revrandy

I am not saying we don't have our own snake oil salesmen..Dan..

But I do think it sad.. When talented Folks leave the Biblical Doctrine of Oneness, Repentence, Baptism in Jesus Name and the Infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in Tongues.. to promote False Doctrine which doesn't save anyone...

Is this then a doctrinal thread or an economical thread ???

... because I think a snake oil salesman will adopt ANY DOCTRINE .... to make a buck ... I've seen one ultracon who used the PASTOR IS NEVER WRONG DOCTRINE ... to walk away w/ close a million dollars after selling the church property ... leaving his saints out in the "cold" .....

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I am sure you don't have a problem defending them. You should have to defend them. You should follow them if you believe them and those that don't see or believe them should not be damned for not seeing it. I have been in the Apostolic faith for 20+ yrs and I have followed standards to be in the choir. That was a sacrifice I gave. I did not think that it was wrong then and now to wear shorts and rings. But sure there is to be limit. No over board stuff, but I do not think God has set forth things to be as tight as some of the Cons teach.

I do not think the Cons want to be controling by preaching dress codes, but it does end that way. On the other hand the Libs can not discount living right. I do not think that a dress code makes you or anyone more holy, but there is tact that needs to be used. No halter tops in public, but a short sleeve shirt...modest shorts, slacks, etc.

But this is about prosperity doctrine not the hem lengths.

Since you are a Oneness Apostolic do you feel it's okay Apostolic folks to go let's say TBN and raise money to Propagate the Trinitarian Doctrine?

btw... I am not Ultra-Conservative...

[CC1]

Originally Posted by revrandy

CC1.. I think he is alluding to Country Music... and Money...

I was trying to figure out how the city of Nashville got lumped in there with TBN.

There are many exUPCer's / exApostolics who have not gone that road of the "Prosperity Message". My church and pastor are one of them.

The ones that do go that route tend to get a lot of attention because of their antics. I have related how I stumbled across a Christian TV telethon being hosted by a former UPC pastor a couple of years ago and how shameful his appeal to the elderly and poor was. I was so full of rightous indignation I was almost shaking and had trouble going to sleep that night. That man is going to answer to God for the perversion of the Gospel I witnessed him put forth that night. It was as if Christianity was a get rich scheme rather than the restoration of creation to the Creator.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by CC1

I was trying to figure out how the city of Nashville got lumped in there with TBN.

There are many exUPCer's / exApostolics who have not gone that road of the "Prosperity Message". My church and pastor are one of them.

The ones that do go that route tend to get a lot of attention because of their antics. I have related how I stumbled across a Christian TV telethon being hosted by a former UPC pastor a couple of years ago and how shameful his appeal to the elderly and poor was. I was so full of rightous indignation I was almost shaking and had trouble going to sleep that night. That man is going to answer to God for the perversion of the Gospel I witnessed him put forth that night. It was as if Christianity was a get rich scheme rather than the restoration of creation to the Creator.

See Rksmith......most of us exer's HERE feel this way.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Is this then a doctrinal thread or an economical thread ???

... because I think a snake oil salesman will adopt ANY DOCTRINE .... to make a buck ... I've seen one who used the PASTOR IS NEVER WRONG DOCTRINE ... to walk away w/ close a million dollars after selling the church property ... leaving his saints out in the "cold" .....

I believe anyone who abuses his or her authority in the Kingdom will face the judgement of God...

This thread is about Ex-Apostolics on Television raising money for or from Trinitarian Means...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by revrandy

I believe anyone who abuses his or her authority in the Kingdom will face the judgement of God...

This thread is about Ex-Apostolics on Television raising money for or from Trinitarian Means...

And I've acknowledged this fact .... while of course there are problems with bias and perspective ... and of course the issue of looking at the problem at it's root.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by CC1

I was trying to figure out how the city of Nashville got lumped in there with TBN.

There are many exUPCer's / exApostolics who have not gone that road of the "Prosperity Message". My church and pastor are one of them.

The ones that do go that route tend to get a lot of attention because of their antics. I have related how I stumbled across a Christian TV telethon being hosted by a former UPC pastor a couple of years ago and how shameful his appeal to the elderly and poor was. I was so full of rightous indignation I was almost shaking and had trouble going to sleep that night. That man is going to answer to God for the perversion of the Gospel I witnessed him put forth that night. It was as if Christianity was a get rich scheme rather than the restoration of creation to the Creator.

This is precisely my point... they have sold the Truth... to cash in for personal gain... or to promote False Doctrine...

they have lowered themselves to this level..and it's sad... no matter how wealthy they are or will become..

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

And I've acknowledged this fact .... while of course there are problems with bias and perspective ... and of course the issue of looking at the problem at it's root.

Root??

Dan.. Is everybody that leaves the UPC or Apostolic fellowship a Victim?