Mega upc church in Turmoil ?????

[QueenEsther]

Originally Posted by tyhuff

This is not a popular opinion on this thread BUT if my husband and I founded a church and poured our sweat and guts and put years of ministry into it and we had a son who was called into the ministry and he was the man for the church ABSOLUTLEY he would be the next pastor. sorry.

I see nothing wrong with this either - of course I think it would be wrong to NOT allow someone to be used because they weren't family.

[QueenEsther]

Originally Posted by CareyM

This kind of thing really bothers me sometimes. I have no problem with a Father/Pastor wanting his son to take over. The issue I have is when the son is not qualified and or lacks the calling, God's anointing, etc...He just takes over because it's expected...he gets a license to preach because Daddy let him preach as much as he wanted/needed to qualify, while many others get left behind.

This is exactly what I don't agree with!!

[QueenEsther]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I think what is good for the church should be the deciding factor but it usually never is.

Our church voted in our new pastor and it was all done publicly - the votes were private but they were tallied and announced publicly all in the same meeting and there were numerous different counters to be safe.

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by QueenEsther

I am sorry you feel this way, not all of us are that way.

QE, I understand that and I appreciate it. I was just trying to make the point that I think it is in bad taste to spread things like this on an internet forum. This church is obviously in pain. We should be praying for them. Not feeding on their pain like vultures. I'm sorry to sound so harsh. But it makes me so sad when I see things like this on here. I cannot believe that God is pleased. What do you think? I don't mean that in a nasty way - I honestly am curious to know whether people think that God is ok with a conversation discussing someone else's hurts when we have nothing to offer them as healing balm.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't think the parts of this thread where it was discussed whether the pastor's son or son-in-law should take the church after him - that wasn't a wrong discussion. That's discussing a POINT. But the beginning of the thread - well, that, in my mind, was just pure gossip. I don't think we should ever "just get used to it. It's the world of Pentecost". I think God expects better of us.

Ok, I'm getting off my soapbox. Sorry to stir the waters.

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

I'll just report...it is NOT The Rock Church or CLC.

Let's just debate the issue here...

Is it right for a pastor to single-handedly change the church by-laws to state he solely has a say in who the pastor is?

The longstanding by-laws stated the selection of a pastor would go to a vote of the church body.

Is it in the Fresno area? Didn't someone in that area just have heart surgery

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Margies3

QE, I understand that and I appreciate it. I was just trying to make the point that I think it is in bad taste to spread things like this on an internet forum. This church is obviously in pain. We should be praying for them. Not feeding on their pain like vultures. I'm sorry to sound so harsh. But it makes me so sad when I see things like this on here. I cannot believe that God is pleased. What do you think? I don't mean that in a nasty way - I honestly am curious to know whether people think that God is ok with a conversation discussing someone else's hurts when we have nothing to offer them as healing balm.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't think the parts of this thread where it was discussed whether the pastor's son or son-in-law should take the church after him - that wasn't a wrong discussion. That's discussing a POINT. But the beginning of the thread - well, that, in my mind, was just pure gossip. I don't think we should ever "just get used to it. It's the world of Pentecost". I think God expects better of us.

Ok, I'm getting off my soapbox. Sorry to stir the waters.

Somebody's feelin' some pain that's for sure...

Margie.. some folks create pain... and then they have to suffer for it..

sometimes it just comes... and we deal with it.. but in all we should pray for one another... that's for sure...

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Somebody's feelin' some pain that's for sure...

Margie.. some folks create pain... and then they have to suffer for it..

sometimes it just comes... and we deal with it.. but in all we should pray for one another... that's for sure...

Thank you, RevRandy. My respect for you just went UP several notches

I'll tell you what - I'll join you in praying for this church, no matter who they are or where they are. As long as the church is in turmoil and in pain, they cannot reach out to the lost and hurting in the world. That's what they need to be doing. But it's hard to minister to others at a time when you need to be ministered to yourself - whether you are an individual or a church.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by jollyrancher

Is it in the Fresno area? Didn't someone in that area just have heart surgery

No.

[Mike Williamson]

Originally Posted by Thad

i know very little about it right now - the name will not be revealed by me

it's going to be discussed, talked about, diasected, whether you like it or not Margerie. welcome to Pentecost .

when you're high Profile and nationally known everyone wants to know.

So since everyone does it, that makes it OK?? "It's gonna happen anyway, so....guess what I heard..." LOL

Originally Posted by revrandy

Somebody's feelin' some pain that's for sure...

Margie.. some folks create pain... and then they have to suffer for it..

sometimes it just comes... and we deal with it.. but in all we should pray for one another... that's for sure...

I cannot imagine a serious situation in my own church being publically discussed. I have to argree that things of this nature are pure gossip and Im not saying it doesnt draw a crowd but I am saying I think we should weigh our motives for discussing a sad situation regardless of what church it is