What the World Sees as Apostolic

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am not UPC and folks may even feel I am anti-UPC but the problem with the whole issue is 'strange' to me the AS has nothing in it than the original license
application did? They signed to get the license then fuss over the AS??? It is beyond me. Now I understand The Atlantic district did not have to that originally they took them as a group but the rest did.

I'm glad you recognized the point about the Atlantic District.

[Steve Epley]

Since Bro. Strange has decided to tell how ultra-con's strictness makes them go bad I will share(as the Charismatics say) a story. The place is Lansing, Ill. the church is a large Apostolic church where the pastor mocked folks who preached against television and YES they all wore rings. And they also locked the doors when they were having church and at certain times some of the men anf women were excused to go to the basement where they had orgies called 'love feasts.' They from time to time turn the lights off in the sanctuary and touch each other. The pastor summons women up and kissed them on the platform. Eventually couple after couple swapped companions in the church including the pastor and his wife and his son and his wife. Sold the church and took their commune to the Northwest. So this proves Apostolics who wear rings and have television will go into free love. When men become depraved it matters NOT what camp they are in.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Carroll Martin was not able to keep his testimony on trusting God for hid healing but he did lay sick for over a year and if you knew him then you know the agonies he suffered. I do not excuse him but he did not fall into sin. He fell because of a stand on divine healing.

Elder Matin was a good man.

As he lay dying in the hospital, the man did a lot of repenting and begging for forgiveness. A dear man that he was. He just leaned too strongly upon the implements of the flesh.... This is my point.

The stronger one resists in the flesh, by the same proportion are they drawn to the very thing that they fight the hardest. It is an inviolable rule of the flesh. I am so amazed that the ultra cons cannot figure this out. It is one reason that they will eventually fall, except for the grace of God.

Flesh on display is PRIDE. Just what is that goes before a FALL? It happens, not to mention the religious haughty look.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Carrol Martin was an APOSTOLIC preacher that died an APOSTOLIC preacher.

He never let down on the Godhead, NB, Holiness or separation.

His life was clean.

So God didn't heal him like he thought He would/could makes no difference to me about his life and his Message.

And he begged folks on his deathbed to forgive him for failing them. His death was one of the worse I have ever heard bar none.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Since Bro. Strange has decided to tell how ultra-con's strictness makes them go bad I will share(as the Charismatics say) a story. The place is Lansing, Ill. the church is a large Apostolic church where the pastor mocked folks who preached against television and YES they all wore rings. And they also locked the doors when they were having church and at certain times some of the men anf women were excused to go to the basement where they had orgies called 'love feasts.' They from time to time turn the lights off in the sanctuary and touch each other. The pastor summons women up and kissed them on the platform. Eventually couple after couple swapped companions in the church including the pastor and his wife and his son and his wife. Sold the church and took their commune to the Northwest. So this proves Apostolics who wear rings and have television will go into free love. When men become depraved it matters NOT what camp they are in.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I'm glad you recognized the point about the Atlantic District.

TB I honor you I would not sign something I did not believe no matter what it cost me. I do not have much respect for those who do. But in truth you have to acknowledge the AS only affirmed what the applicant claimed to believe when they signed the apt. Yours and those of the Atlantic district was different but as far as I know that was the only exception.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I was speaking to a religious person today and the topic came up about what the difference is between apostolic and pentecostal. I asked her what she though apostolic meant and she ran down this list....

1. Dresses
2. Uncut Hair
3. No make-up
4. No television

She equates apostolics with legalism. She doesn't equate an apostolic as being a spirit filled believer who operates in the power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost.

She reinforces what a vast majority of people think about apostolics. There are some who are intellectually dishonest and would want to question the intelligence of this person, but she is a college graduate, has owned a business, and is a very active member of her church.

Can anyone explain again what legalism has to do with the '' apostle's doctrine''? The world isn't buying it one bit.

Back to the original post.

Can you imagine the direction this thread would have went IF this would have been the original post?



I was speaking to a religious person today and the topic came up about what the difference is between apostolic and pentecostal. I asked her what she though apostolic meant and she ran down this list....

1. Dresses
2. Uncut Hair
3. No make-up
4. No television

She equates apostolics with uncompromising separation from the world. She doesn't equate an apostolic as being a mean spirited person, but a believer who operates in the power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost.

She reinforces what a vast majority of people think about apostolics. There are some who are intellectually dishonest and would want to question the intelligence of this person, but she is a college graduate, has owned a business, and is a very active member of her church.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Since Bro. Strange has decided to tell how ultra-con's strictness makes them go bad I will share(as the Charismatics say) a story. The place is Lansing, Ill. the church is a large Apostolic church where the pastor mocked folks who preached against television and YES they all wore rings. And they also locked the doors when they were having church and at certain times some of the men anf women were excused to go to the basement where they had orgies called 'love feasts.' They from time to time turn the lights off in the sanctuary and touch each other. The pastor summons women up and kissed them on the platform. Eventually couple after couple swapped companions in the church including the pastor and his wife and his son and his wife. Sold the church and took their commune to the Northwest. So this proves Apostolics who wear rings and have television will go into free love. When men become depraved it matters NOT what camp they are in.

It is true that when men become depraved it matters not what camp that they are in.

Psychologist will tell you that men will harp on their own weakness. They reveal it in the way they resist in the flesh rather than letting the Spirit live within them.

To continually harp on the women folk demanding what is unscriptural, making a minor in the Word of God a major, is telling. A fleshly walk is ultimately doomed to failure.

Did I ever tell you about the ultra con church that was suddenly taken over by a spirit one night and everyone got naked right in the church? They were jumping and shouting until the police wagons came and arrested them all, men and women alike. They got in the police vans still shouting and waving their bibles, though naked.

A lot of antecdotes can be told, though I can personally vouch for very few of them at all. Like the story that you told above, this one is just another anticdote. However, there are some that I am very personally aware of. Nevertheless, this is not my point at all. This is a distraction. My point is, a walk in the flesh by exalting the flesh in PRIDE is doomed for failure.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Since Bro. Strange has decided to tell how ultra-con's strictness makes them go bad I will share(as the Charismatics say) a story. The place is Lansing, Ill. the church is a large Apostolic church where the pastor mocked folks who preached against television and YES they all wore rings. And they also locked the doors when they were having church and at certain times some of the men anf women were excused to go to the basement where they had orgies called 'love feasts.' They from time to time turn the lights off in the sanctuary and touch each other. The pastor summons women up and kissed them on the platform. Eventually couple after couple swapped companions in the church including the pastor and his wife and his son and his wife. Sold the church and took their commune to the Northwest. So this proves Apostolics who wear rings and have television will go into free love. When men become depraved it matters NOT what camp they are in.

I remember this happening as a kid raised in the Chicago area. I believe my father was presbyter of the section that this pastor was in! They had spritual spouses which they had human sex with!

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Elder Matin was a good man.

As he lay dying in the hospital, the man did a lot of repenting and begging for forgiveness. A dear man that he was. He just leaned too strongly upon the implements of the flesh.... This is my point.

The stronger one resists in the flesh, by the same proportion are they drawn to the very thing that they fight the hardest. It is an inviolable rule of the flesh. I am so amazed that the ultra cons cannot figure this out. It is one reason that they will eventually fall, except for the grace of God.

Flesh on display is PRIDE. Just what is that goes before a FALL? It happens, not to mention the religious haughty look.

Would you please elaborate on the bolded?