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05-21-2007, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Rico
Why should this person have to renounce tatooing in order to be allowed in a pulpit?
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It isn't about having to renounce tattooing, Rico..its about setting an audience at ease so they can hear what you have to say. Teaching 101: Connect with your audience first. Something permanently visible, and offensive by nature, will have to be clarified. Either that, or deal with the fact that some people will be offended, (especially since they dont' know if your tattoos came before or after conversion), and won't hear what you have to say.
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05-21-2007, 10:13 AM
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As a mother of at least one preteen, if this man was going to speak at our next youth rally, I would want him to clarify to my child (and all the other attendees) that he does not advocate body art.
Children/Teenagers tend to emulate people they admire. If a man has a powerful message, he has to accept the fact that he will be influential, and if there is something about him that could influence in the wrong direction, it has to be clarified to the audience.
Without the clarification, I would either have to explain it to my child myself, (hoping I was right about the "probably before he was converted" part), OR choose to have my child preached to and influenced by another person. Whether or not the man chose to explain himself would be a reflection of his wisdom and understanding...not a reflection of other folks' unreasonable expectations.
I would expect the same sort of clarification if an unmarried, pregnant teenage girl were teaching a class at the Ladies' Seminar. It had better be immaculate conception, or a recent conversion, or my daughter wouldn't be attending that particular lecture.
Yeah, call me hardnosed. I am a Proud Member of the BFM's.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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05-21-2007, 10:19 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
It isn't about having to renounce tattooing, Rico..its about setting an audience at ease so they can hear what you have to say. Teaching 101: Connect with your audience first. Something permanently visible, and offensive by nature, will have to be clarified. Either that, or deal with the fact that some people will be offended, (especially since they dont' know if your tattoos came before or after conversion), and won't hear what you have to say.
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Sister, if people don't have enough confidence in their pastor to know that he's done whatever checking up needed to be done before letting someone in the church pulpit, then I don't know what to say. I don't know of any pastors that don't have a sit down with any prospective preacher before allowing them into the pulpit. Do you?
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05-21-2007, 10:22 AM
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Sister, if people don't have enough confidence in their pastor to know that he's done whatever checking up needed to be done before letting someone in the church pulpit, then I don't know what to say. I don't know of any pastors that don't have a sit down with any prospective preacher before allowing them into the pulpit. Do you?
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Again, you can blame people for being people if you want to, but a good preacher or teacher will address it up front in order to set folks at ease. I personally wouldn't be offended, and I trust our pastor to not put anyone up who is questionable, BUT I would not grant my child the same ability to discern, and would prefer that the matter be clarified up front. *shrug*
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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05-21-2007, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
What if Jan the Crouch had her face permanently tattooed to look like makeup?
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Is Paul the Crouch gonna let her stay on when she get her face done like this
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05-21-2007, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Again, you can blame people for being people if you want to, but a good preacher or teacher will address it up front in order to set folks at ease. I personally wouldn't be offended, and I trust our pastor to not put anyone up who is questionable, BUT I would not grant my child the same ability to discern, and would prefer that the matter be clarified up front. *shrug*
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Dat's because yer a snob!
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05-21-2007, 11:00 AM
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05-21-2007, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Share? We are talking about someone whose face is tattooed completely. He does not have to share that, Everyone can see it.
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My point, so why must he explain himself to you or anyone for that matter?
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That wasn't even the question. Should he renounce tattooing before someone lets him preach? Should he take a stand against it and say it is wrong? Or if he approves of such things should he still be allowed to preach?
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Nope, why should he if he already settled the matter with God. Should an adultery or mugger renounce every time they preach?
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Everyone with half a brain KNOWS how he got that way. The question is should he renounce it! Not his face, getting tattoos...The drug user renounces drug use usually. Is this question too hard for you people?
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Then why are you asking, if everyone knows, subject should be close!
It's not hard at all, you seem to be the one having a problem of understanding this person does not need to renounce his life over and over again, what he did is under the blood move on, Jesus did~
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You don't have to be a gossiper to SEE that the man has a tattooed face. Come on folks, use your brain here. He has a tattooed face....should a pastor let him be on the platform if he has not renounced getting tattoos? If my pastor asks me if I renounced drugs before getting on the platform you better believe I will offer a hearty YES!
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I think you have issues with forgiveness and can't seem to grasp some of us really don't want or care to hear about how bad tattooed are. I think by just looking at this person you have your answer, that this was not a wise thing to do.....So please sir use your brain already~
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05-21-2007, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by revrandy
How many of you would let this guy stay at your home?
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If he was godly why not. I've allowed a sister in the Lord who was dying from with Aids come and live with us until her family step in, as should be....Would you allowed that?
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05-21-2007, 12:42 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Originally Posted by CupCake
If he was godly why not. I've allowed a sister in the Lord who was dying from with Aids come and live with us until her family step in, as should be....Would you allowed that?
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You're a nice person, twinkie.
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