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Old 10-15-2012, 02:09 PM
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And that is a reasonable hypothesis (in the context of Biblical theology). Nobody who believes the Bible can know if they will make it to heaven. (Byrd, don't even bother! )
Ah, but we can't stop there. In one spot it says "I never knew you, depart from me" despite what good works you do. Then, in Rev. it says all will be judged by their works. So, which is it?

A tricky balancing act getting into Heaven. Good works...Jesus knows me...good works...Jesus knows me...
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Ooops, didn't realize I wrote that.
It's cool.

But I guess we still disagree on what Jesus was saying in those verses (including 21)? Again, I don't see anything about faith or belief or grace or the work of the cross or any such thing in that passage, nor in the sheep and goats passage. And then there is the rich, young ruler (how to have eternal life: keep all the commandments, and sell everything and give the money to the poor). And the forsaking of houses and family, rewarded with eternal life.
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Ah, but we can't stop there. In one spot it says "I never knew you, depart from me" despite what good works you do. Then, in Rev. it says all will be judged by their works. So, which is it?

A tricky balancing act getting into Heaven. Good works...Jesus knows me...good works...Jesus knows me...
Someone even more unbelieving than me () listed the Bible's ways of salvation. Came up with 196. Some of them are a stretch, to call them ways to be saved. Still, it is thought-provoking, I think.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot....elf-saved.html
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It's cool.

But I guess we still disagree on what Jesus was saying in those verses (including 21)? Again, I don't see anything about faith or belief or grace or the work of the cross or any such thing in that passage, nor in the sheep and goats passage. And then there is the rich, young ruler (how to have eternal life: keep all the commandments, and sell everything and give the money to the poor). And the forsaking of houses and family, rewarded with eternal life.
But, why would he say "I never knew you"? What exactly does He mean by that? If He's God, doesn't He know everyone?
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But, why would he say "I never knew you"? What exactly does He mean by that? If He's God, doesn't He know everyone?
Well, of course He does. I think the intended meaning is clear: they were never part of His flock.
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Well, of course He does. I think the intended meaning is clear: they were never part of His flock.
So, whether or not I'm a sheep or a goat is predetermined? If I am a goat now, can I be a sheep later? Or, am I forever a goat?

So, not a literal "knowing", like Adam knew Eve. That is the same verb being used, btw.
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So, whether or not I'm a sheep or a goat is predetermined? If I am a goat now, can I be a sheep later? Or, am I forever a goat?
That's a whole 'nother topic!
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So, not a literal "knowing", like Adam knew Eve. That is the same verb being used, btw.
And that is a whole 'nother meaning!
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And that is a whole 'nother meaning!
I dunno. The HG is an infilling from a male God to a bride church. So, um... maybe the same meaning?
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Are y'all going to define REAL?
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Are y'all going to define REAL?
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