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Old 06-18-2012, 03:58 PM
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Dream Act Executive Order

Has anyone been keeping up with BO threat to sign an executive order for the dream act if congress does not pass one?
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:26 PM
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No, I haven't been keeping up, but Congress can veto/rescind/ stop that executive order if they would choose to do so. If any sitting president does this by executive order and Congress decides to let it stand, then Congress is guilty of shirking their duties of lawmaking and allowing a sitting president to make laws. This should be a big deal because they basically are bypassing their representation of the american people to a one-man lawmaker. And we know that turns that lawmaker into a dictator.
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:39 PM
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Re: Dream Act Executive Order

Romney addressed the issue in his particular style - speaking, but not saying anything.

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"And then, with regards to these kids who were brought in by their parents through no fault of their own, there needs to be a long-term solution so they know what their status is."

"Well, it would be overtaken by events if you will, by virtue of my putting in place a long-term solution, with legislation which creates law that relates to these individuals such that they know what their setting is going to be, not just for the term of a president but on a permanent basis," said Romney.

"We'll look at that setting as we reach that, but my anticipation is I'd come into office and say we need to get this done, on a long-term basis, not this kind of stop-gap measure."
So, are you going to overturn it or not, Romney?

Rubio loved the plan, but hit O on the process. Don't see what difference that makes since he loves the plan.

All I have to say is that's what the Republicans get for doing nothing and promising they would.
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:57 PM
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Re: Dream Act Executive Order

Perhaps it would be better to find a long term solution than to just allow them to not be deported.

Ever talk to hispanics? They are just like us. They want a decent life for their children just like we do.

Perhaps where the problem comes in is that the Mexican government is telling their people one thing and our government is telling us another. I wish governments will be honest with the people and let the people come to a workable solution because it does not seem like governments can.
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Perhaps it would be better to find a long term solution than to just allow them to not be deported.

Ever talk to hispanics? They are just like us. They want a decent life for their children just like we do.

Perhaps where the problem comes in is that the Mexican government is telling their people one thing and our government is telling us another. I wish governments will be honest with the people and let the people come to a workable solution because it does not seem like governments can.
Then everyone is just like us. Everyone wants a decent life for their children.
Let's let everyone in.
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No, I haven't been keeping up, but Congress can veto/rescind/ stop that executive order if they would choose to do so. If any sitting president does this by executive order and Congress decides to let it stand, then Congress is guilty of shirking their duties of lawmaking and allowing a sitting president to make laws. This should be a big deal because they basically are bypassing their representation of the american people to a one-man lawmaker. And we know that turns that lawmaker into a dictator.
We need to clean HOUSE!!!
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Then everyone is just like us. Everyone wants a decent life for their children.
Let's let everyone in.
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We need to clean HOUSE!!!



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Why don't we learn what started all of this immigration stuff in the first place? Perhaps cleaning house should be started elsewhere.

The illegals are here because large corporate elite want them here for larger profits for them. And when they can get the funds to pay for their welfare off the backs of the american people, they will. Just like Wal-Mart uses America's welfare system to pay for it's workers healthcare and food stamps because Wal-Mart barely pays a livable wage to its workers while it rakes in billions of $ in profits.

If Wal-Mart does this to Americans, what other corporations likewise do this? If big Agriculture caused Mexicans to be impoverished, who can blame them for trying to make a living for their families?


It's sad that NAFTA unleashed a wave of poverty on both the american people and the mexican people.

NAFTA was supposed to have brought economic prosperity to all people. Instead it brought prosperity to the elite.

Consider the article: NAFTA was sold to the American public as the magic formula that would improve the American economy at the same time it would raise up the impoverished Mexican economy. The time has come to look at the failures of this type of trade agreement before we engage in more and lower the economic prospects of all workers affected.

While there has been some media coverage of NAFTA's ruinous impact on US industrial communities, there has been even less media attention paid to its catastrophic effects in Mexico:

NAFTA, by permitting heavily-subsidized US corn and other agri-business products to compete with small Mexican farmers, has driven the Mexican farmer off the land due to low-priced imports of US corn and other agricultural products. Some 2 million Mexicans have been forced out of agriculture, and many of those that remain are living in desperate poverty. These people are among those that cross the border to feed their families. (Meanwhile, corn-based tortilla prices climbed by 50%. No wonder many so Mexican peasants have called NAFTA their 'death warrant.'

According to the article, we, like the mexican people were promised better jobs, more jobs. But as our jobs entered that giant sucking sound Ross Perot talked about, it got slimy for the mexican people too. Many lost their farms, earned subsistent wages and braved people hostile to their coming here to America.

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The massive tide of illegal immigration from Mexico is merely one symptom of an economic arrangement where human needs -- not maximum profits-- are not the ultimate goal but a subject of neglect. Neither a massive, shameful barrier at the border nor a disposable guest-worker program will address the problems ignited by NAFTA.

Programs providing stable, decent employment, modern transportation, clean water, and environmental cleanup are needed to take the place of the immense NAFTA failure and allow Mexicans to live decent, hopeful lives in their native land. But such an effort is imaginable only if the aim is truly mutual uplift for all citizens in both nations, instead of the NAFTA-fueled race to the bottom.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0425-30.htm

While it is NOT acceptable for illegals to molest our women and children, we americans are ignorant about how their way of life has been torn up by this treaty. We know ours has been torn up, but the media has not been printing anything about how they live in squalor. I think the people there have been brainwashed into believing certain things about our country and our people that aren't true. They may also have some misplaced anger concerning the american people.

However, if they come here and think that they can do here what they do in their own country...well...they are seeing that it don't work that way. The laws in their own country may not protect their innocents, but we do have laws here that do protect the innocent. Justice is meted out to those here who perpetuate violence and thievery even on illegals.

I know some decent mexican human beings and I know some scoundrels. One being a mexican lady who sucked off an old woman for 30 years to the tune of over $30,000 +, her family alleges.

If the true beneficiaries can keep the people fighting with each other as a smokescreen, while they reap in profits, it is the people who have families trying to subsist on low wages that will be destroyed and not the instigators.
What has happened to our humanity that we fight over material things and not consider the soul of people?

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ayr - let's try and find some common ground here.
The first thing that needs to be done is to seal the border and stop more illegals from getting in.
Agree or disagree?

And by the way I am very familar with issues that immigrants and illegal immigrants face.
On a face-to-face and personal level.
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Re: Dream Act Executive Order

Ayr their sad story needs to be dealt with no dispute on that fact. However, Bo had no right to do an executive order by bypassing congress.

There are proper ways to handle things without breaking the laws.
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Aegsm, Esther, I don't disagree with you, so yes, I can find common ground with your statements.

It just has been my experience that when talking about illegals, most people do only know a little, if any, background about why they are pouring into our country and why our government goes to great lengths to allow them to pour in like water through a sieve.

It just doesn't make sense that the Federal government won't enforce the laws on the books and sue a state that will enforce the same laws that is on the Federal books. Is it possible that both the governments of the USA and Mexico know what a mess that they made of NAFTA? They have been saying that a North American Union is just "conspiracy theory". Yet we see the federal government put up roadblocks against closing the borders and making all immigrants go through Ellis Island like it used to have to be done.

Anyway, does it look like BHO is going to finish Teddy Kennedy's threat of piecemealing into law an amnesty bill? That was one of his threats before he passed away when the last law did not pass.

I think that the government should come clean with the back room deals they have made with the governments north and south of us to form a union called the NAU. Jerome Corsi is considered to be a conspiracy theorist. Although I have not read any of his books, I am told that he makes a good and sensible case about what is going on in this nation.
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