What Scripture Had The Most Profound Effect On You

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

NEWSFLASH:

Timmy and Pharaoh Have Commonalities: Hardened Hearts

(where is that smiley icon???)

Maybe. But God hardened Pharaoh's heart. I don't think He hardened mine, but how would I know?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I will look forward to any insights you might offer us

Slipped my mind. (Like a lot of things.) I'll try to get to it this evening.

[bbyrd009]

Ok, and God is being blamed here for wanting to be "famous," or something; like He cares. He wanted Egyptians, whom He loved, to have a way to know Him, denied by Pharoah, who demanded their worship. Is the way I always heard this?

[shag]

2 would be ....

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Matthew 24:34)

For in just a very little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay.(Hebrews 10:37)

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Timmy

I guess this isn't what you were looking for, but one of the most important passages in my "deconversion" is Exodus. Take it literally or figuratively, either way, it doesn't portray God in a good light. In the story of the exodus, from beginning to end, we see a God who is childish, petty, unjust, dishonest, and just plain mean. He sets everything up as an excuse to show how powerful He is, and to become famous! (Look it up -- that's what God said.) He punishes Egyptian families, repeatedly and brutally, because of what Pharaoh did. And Pharaoh would have (says the story!) said Yes, if God hadn't hardened his heart. The request was for a three day's journey into the wilderness to offer sacrifices -- not to leave forever, which was the true intent: God told Moses to mislead.

IMO.

That's your rendering of, copies of copies of copies of Moses' rendering of what God's view point is in these matters.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I still think you should read the book of Job again Timmy.

I do see what you're trying to say and the "irony" of so many things in scripture, like God hardening hearts, and creating evil, and so on...

And... Job had quite a few questions and objections himself. And he was justified no doubt in all his questions... But in the end, he realized, how can you fight against the one who created you? I mean, are you, yourself going to be able to change the mind of God with your questions?

Just a thought...

When Job's trials had come to an end, have you noticed that God never answered the question as to WHY, Job experienced what he experienced?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by crakjak

That's your rendering of, copies of copies of copies of Moses' rendering of what God's view point is in these matters.

Well, that's an interesting thought. What do you suppose God's word on this story really might be? How wrong do you think Exodus is, in the Bibles we have today?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Well, that's an interesting thought. What do you suppose God's word on this story really might be? How wrong do you think Exodus is, in the Bibles we have today?

I don't know, yet when I read it, I can't help but feel we are missing much of God's point of view.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I don't know, yet when I read it, I can't help but feel we are missing much of God's point of view.

So, it seems you are kinda getting my point. Maybe?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Timmy

So, it seems you are kinda getting my point. Maybe?

We certainly don't have it all figured out. But I do believe the Biblical narrative is very important. It is the story that we are living in, Jesus is the focus, He came to reveal how God feels about everything. But He is not finished working on His masterpiece, the creation is not complete.