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01-22-2012, 10:54 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
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Originally Posted by Titus2woman
Can you explain please... are you saying that they are members in good standing and have cut hair and pants or are they just visitors who haven't 'learned' the right ways yet? Does your church have platform requirements? Ours were mid calf no slit skirts, hose, black and white preferred although colors were allowed in the choir the praise team pretty much always stuck to the rules. Suits strongly preferred for men. Seeing a woman in jeans on the platform was very... different.
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No, I don't know that they are "members" at all though it's noteworthy that many churches consider anyone who attends regularly voting members if they also make regular financial contributions. This was the case at a couple churches I have attended in the past. We have a more formal membership application though I am not sure how closely it's followed.
Some of the ones I mention are visitors but some are not. If I were guessing perhaps 25% of the ladies in any given service have cut hair, or wear (non-typical upc) jewelry or wear bifurcated garments.  Having said that, it is not endorsed and they would typically not have a leading/teaching role. There are some platform requirements.
You had not originally mentioned that they were on the platform.
"Getting used to seeing women in pants in church was weird. Nobody really had short hair but it was scissor cut."
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01-22-2012, 11:06 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
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Dordrecht do you go to a UPC church? I think they all pretty much preach that. So since the very early 1900's per their doctrine.
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This is not true. Women wearing pants/slacks is not mentioned in the UPC Articles of Faith. The "standards" as preached by most today was not really codified until perhaps the 1960s or 70s. Those who are generational Pentecostal will know that bangs on girls and jewelry on ladies was common even in the families of the leaders until this last adult generation.
...and the UPC was not even in existence for nearly a half century after the 1900s...
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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01-22-2012, 11:11 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
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I am probably wrong, but I thought that if one becomes a member of a UPC church, they must follow the articles of faith?
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Not exactly. Though the case might be better made for the churches who happen to be "affiliated". Ours is not.
...and oh, are you not aware that women wearing pants/slacks is not mentioned in the UPC AOF?
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-22-2012, 11:16 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
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This is not true. The "standards" as preached by most today was not really codified until perhaps the 1960s or 70s. Those who are generational Pentecostal will know that bangs on girls and jewelry on ladies was common even in the families of the leaders until this last adult generation.
...and the UPC was not even in existence for nearly a half century after the 1900s...
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I think it depends on what part of the country you were from. My great-grandfather was an AOG preacher around 1900 in North Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana and these standards were "codified" back then, even in the AOG.
My grandfather preached his first sermon in the 1920's, (I have the date, but can't remember it off the top of my head), and the topic was "bobbed hair".
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01-22-2012, 11:22 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
This is not true. Women wearing pants/slacks is not mentioned in the UPC Articles of Faith. The "standards" as preached by most today was not really codified until perhaps the 1960s or 70s. Those who are generational Pentecostal will know that bangs on girls and jewelry on ladies was common even in the families of the leaders until this last adult generation.
...and the UPC was not even in existence for nearly a half century after the 1900s...
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Great points!!
My mother wore a wedding band until 1972 or so when the popular teaching began at that time against jewelry of any kind, including wedding bands. She had to put her ring in the offering plate. That was a toughie for her.
I wonder what would've happened if the "rapture" had taken place before that offering plate was passed.... LOL!
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01-22-2012, 11:25 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
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I think it depends on what part of the country you were from. My great-grandfather was an AOG preacher around 1900 in North Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana and these standards were "codified" back then, even in the AOG.
My grandfather preached his first sermon in the 1920's, (I have the date, but can't remember it off the top of my head), and the topic was "bobbed hair".
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1900s and 1920s I could see this being the norm for many denominations - since cut hair was just gaining acceptance in society at large.
However, by the time the UPC came into existence in the mid century it was acceptable to trim hair and wear necklaces etc.
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"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-22-2012, 11:28 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
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Great points!!
My mother wore a wedding band until 1972 or so when the popular teaching began at that time against jewelry of any kind, including wedding bands. She had to put her ring in the offering plate. That was a toughie for her.
I wonder what would've happened if the "rapture" had taken place before that offering plate was passed.... LOL!
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LOL!
Today, I don't think there are very many against wearing a wedding ring in the UPC.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-22-2012, 11:34 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
What a history lesson... You guys are so knowledgeable. I guess I just believed my pastor when he said that decent women had never cut their hair, wore makeup or jewelry... only the hussies. Actually he told a story that make up was originally introduced to polite society by drag queens who were trying to drag women into wickedness... Any truth to that?
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01-22-2012, 11:36 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
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LOL!
Today, I don't think there are very many against wearing a wedding ring in the UPC.
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No, that is true. But... my mother still does not wear a wedding band...
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01-22-2012, 11:40 PM
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Re: Visited a non UPC church
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No, that is true. But... my mother still does not wear a wedding band...
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Sorry, I believe you - did not mean to say there is no one like that. Just that the churches that teach against members wearing wedding rings are few and far between - I certainly don't know any, though I do know a few ministers who do not wear them.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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