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07-26-2011, 03:32 PM
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Re: Open letter to AFF
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Originally Posted by OldPathsII
Yes, absolutely. But no one wants to ask, just accuse and judge?
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Accuse and Judge?
and last but certainly not least, the fact that Sister Alvear gets away with WAY too much on this forum. No one ever calls her on her stories and someone needs to.
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07-26-2011, 03:53 PM
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Re: Open letter to AFF
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I read this part pretty clearly, did you Daniel?
and last but certainly not least, the fact that Sister Alvear gets away with WAY too much on this forum. No one ever calls her on her stories and someone needs to.
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And just for those of you who only want to assume things rather than ask for clarification when things aren't clear to you, I posted EXACTLY what that comment means. Maybe you and Daniel could get the bulk rate on that reading comprehension class.
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07-26-2011, 04:31 PM
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Re: Open letter to AFF
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Originally Posted by OldPathsII
And just for those of you who only want to assume things rather than ask for clarification when things aren't clear to you, I posted EXACTLY what that comment means. Maybe you and Daniel could get the bulk rate on that reading comprehension class.
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Yup, and we took it exactly as it was written
and last but certainly not least, the fact that Sister Alvear gets away with WAY too much on this forum. No one ever calls her on her stories and someone needs to.
So let me ask you, what did she get away with? What are you accusing her of?
Are you saying her stories are lies? What's next? Maybe we should call everyone on their stories and suggest they are lying?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-26-2011, 06:36 PM
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Re: Open letter to AFF
I am out of town on a business trip and now almost wish I had not checked in. If I really posted what I am thinking after reading Old Paths II's posts on this thread and the original one about the stove I would have to ban myself.
What a disgrace to common decency. Even if a person were to think such terrible thoughts about a full time mssionary they should have the decency to keep it to themselves. My question to Old Paths II is did you not have a mother to raise you and teach you to be a decent person? You are incredibly crude, rude and do not display any of the fruit of the spirit that I can see. I don't know if my anger or pity for you is greater. What a miserable person you must be.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2011, 06:52 PM
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Re: Open letter to AFF
Legalism is death, to self and others. I admire the work of the Alvears in the jungles, and I do not question a thing she says on here. My Pastor is a missionary pastor, and the stories he tells mirrors much of what Missionary Alvear says here.
OPII, stop hating, start appreciating, and try praying.
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07-26-2011, 07:13 PM
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Re: Open letter to AFF
Ask any missionary in Brazil about devil worship and things like that...I read what the Lambeths write, what other missionaries write, what Brother Thompson writes...we all live in a country that is deeply involved in devil worship.
Here in the northeast poverty is greater than any area of Brazil. I live and work among people that came from devilish feasts and all kinds of things. Several of our pastors used to be witchdoctors.
Whether people believe what I tell is up to them but I know that I am telling the truth.
And I did not say I was taking anyone to law I said I was going to talk to my lawyer and ask him to read what I wrote.
I have no intentions of taking anyone to law but my good friend is a lawyer and much smarter than I am so want to know if something is wrong with how I post...I sincerely believe that the devil has tried many things to attack us. I sincerely believe what happened to my stove was an attack from the enemy. If you think otherwise that is okay with me. I am just glad I know the GOD that is more powerful than the devil or his helpers.
If I am going to accuse someone of something I would at least state my name...anything I have written I write my name to it...Any stories I tell there are people alive that can tell you if they are true stories or not.
Many of my friends have lived some of these stories with me...I have one friend that has been over here over 20 times and is planning to come yet this year...Have friends that have known me the whole 43 years that I have been on the mission field... Please call them and see if I am real...
Call my pastor: Pastor Bryan Taylor 318 339 8628....he has been my pastor all my life...and been to Brazil many times...he should know if I am real... Call Dr John Scheels in Beebe, Arkansas...ask him if I am real...Call Pastor Holmes ask him if I am real...we went to school together so he ought to know...my mother and father were members of his church until their deaths.
Call Pastor Steve Pixler ask him if I am real...have known him for a long time. I could list hundreds of pastors both UC's and Liberals that are my friends.
No one can please everybody. I am sorry that some think I beg...which I do not deny. I do in almost every letter ask for help...money for the soup kitchen, money for the jungle work, money for this or that...how will people know if we do not express the need?
But on the other hand our Brazilian church built a church in the Philippines, bought a couple bikes in Africa, helps every month in Paraguay, sent Bibles to an area of Africa that speak Portuguese, sent clothes to other mission fields and we are supporting mainly from Brazil several outreaches in interior places. So it is not just taking in we are doing our best to teach our people to become self supporting and reach their people.
I am sorry if my letters offend anyone...never would I write to offend people. That is not my personality. I love Brazil, the people and the work. Sorry if I come on to strong I do not mean any harm.
As I said today I DEEPLY appreciate the American people. It is just hard like I said to please...some say tell us about the work, tell us about poverty, tell us about this or that...in telling things some are blessed others take offence.
I am very emdebted that an American pastor paid for us a home, others helped us build a beautiful headquarters church and have put food on our table and the tables of many for the past 43 years...
No, I do not feel super spiritual or better than anyone. In fact I am so tired after spending all afternoon at the hospital but am blessed that a pastor went to teach my Bbilbe class for me. I am just dragging tonight. So tired. However I have never lost the wonder He called me to be a missionary. It seems I would at some point want to return to the states but when am the lowest something happens to renew the love again...
Just this afternoon coming in from the hospital one little boy walked up to me and handed me a flower...This is for you, missionary...Oh, how I love these people...
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07-26-2011, 07:16 PM
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Re: Open letter to AFF
Sis. A - - it's sad that you feel that you have to justify what you've said - - - you don't.
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07-26-2011, 07:19 PM
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Re: Open letter to AFF
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
Sis. A - - it's sad that you feel that you have to justify what you've said - - - you don't.
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You are correct. If I were Sis Alvear I would not lower myself to respond to those despicable posts. I think the best response is just prayer for the authors.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2011, 07:24 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: Open letter to AFF
I sat in the hospital this afternoon and did say a prayer for OP11. I am sure he does not understand me...all is well...
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07-26-2011, 07:25 PM
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Re: Open letter to AFF
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Originally Posted by CC1
You are correct. If I were Sis Alvear I would not lower myself to respond to those despicable posts. I think the best response is just prayer for the authors.
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In fact Sis. Alvear, you really shouldn't read all this mess! Now understand, if it was about me I would read it. (You know, "nosey me!")
I pray God will touch you and your wonderful husband.
Can you cash a bank check from Been Thinkin? I'm planning on sending you an offering to help with your children's traveling expense, to a family members funeral. Don't want to send it in my real name, that would expose who I am and at this point simply want to remain unknown on AFF!
Been Thinkin
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