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View Poll Results: Do You Believe in Women Preachers?
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:00 AM
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I preached tonight at our church! One boy repented but guess he was not forgiven since a woman preached...oh well.....
Shame on you. His forgiveness has nothing to do with you. I personally knew a man who received the holy ghost on the sidewalk outside a bar while listening to a drunk backslid apostolic preacher as he preached the only way of salvation, acts 2:38. Was the man who listened to the drunk preach the truth any less saved than those who listen to Br. Aliear?
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:46 AM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

I said that just teasing..I know that no one comes to the Lord without the drawing of God's spirit...I am nothing...I have a good relationship with one of the posters that does not believe in women preachers...I was teasing him...
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Please forgive me if anyone thinks I was calling attention to myself...As I said I was just teasing a friend...
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We have Paul working with women and greeting women and even commending them...we have prophetess giving the word of the LORD...and women with churches in their home and even a letter sent to the elect lady...
In a day and culture when women had little or no value we find women working for the kingdom...
And not a one of them "preached sermons" to men! Again, one must speculate what they cannot demonstrate from the actual text itself.

"I DO NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH, OR TO EXCERCISE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN. SHE IS TO REMAIN QUIET....THESE THINGS I WRITE TO YOU SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE YOURSELF IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD, WHICH IS THE CHURCH..."

It "ain't" goin' nowhere & has yet to be explained...other than away!
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public restrooms has nothing to do with the call of Christ...
He does not "call" contrary to His Word.
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He does not "call" contrary to His Word.
What does Paul mean by "I do not permit"?
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:11 PM
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if I REALLY thought that scripture meant what some say it does then never would you hear a whisper from me in a service...never does the Bible forbid a woman to give Godīs word...she is found giving Godīs word to men on several occasions....
Paul encouraged all to prophecy...even above tongues...
Where does the Bible one single time ever demonstrate that women are "FOUND giving God's Word to men on several occassions":__________?

By "God's Word" I assume you mean the Scriptures?

Scripture reference please?
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:16 PM
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What does Paul mean by "I do not permit"?
Honestly Prax...how many times have I responded to this question? BTW, nice slander on CARM by accussing me of "ad hominem's"???? I really appreciate it .

Now, to answer your question AGAIN: "If any man think himself spiritual, or a prophet, let him acknowledge that the things I WRITE UNTO YOU ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD."

When Paul was stating his personal preferences he stated so [e.g., I Cor.], but this topic he ties to the creation order in Eden....which is all encompassing.

I Tim. 2 was explicitly written to address "how to behave yourself in the household of God, which is the church."
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Clarke suggests Paul was trying to keep the church in line with Roman law
- A woman should attempt nothing, either in public or private, that belongs to man as his peculiar function. This was prohibited by the Roman laws: In multis juris nostri articulis deterior est conditio foeminarum quam masculorun,; l. 9, Pap. Lib. 31, Quaest. Foeminoe ab omnibus officiis civilibus vel publicis remotae sunt; et ideo nec judicis esse possunt, nec magistratum gerere, nec postulare, nec pro alio invenire, nec procuratores existere; l. 2, de Reg. Juris. Ulp. Lib. i. Ad Sab. - Vid. Poth. Pand. Justin., vol. i. p. 13.

"In our laws the condition of women is, in many respects, worse than that of men. Women are precluded from all public offices; therefore they cannot be judges, nor execute the function of magistrates; they cannot sue, plead, nor act in any case, as proxies." They were under many other disabilities, which may be seen in different places of the Pandects.
Prax...Are you aware that Adam Clarke believed the "moon was habitable globe" inhabited by "intelligent beings"? He also taught that Judas repented & we should expect to see him in heaven! Do you also believe this as well???
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Evidence of Conflict and false doctrine in Ephesus according to the Pastorals

The problem was not that women were teaching. The problem was in regard to what they were teaching!

Ephesus was the seat of the greatest false teachings in the history of the earth!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

1Tim. 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

1Tim. 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

1Tim. 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

1Tim. 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

1Tim. 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

2Tim. 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus, 2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. 3 I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day; 4 Greatly desiring to see thee, being mindful of thy tears, that I may be filled with joy; 5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also. 6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands. 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: 11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. 12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us. 15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

2Tim. 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

2Tim. 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

2Tim. 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

2Tim. 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10 A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Ho-Hum...This a worn-out & tired argument used for eons now. Paul tied his prohibition against women teaching/preaching to the order of creation & says absolutely nothing in the text itself about what you copied & pasted above.

The book that I've referenced ad nauseum on here deals w/ this argument extensively & puts it in the tomb.....where it belongs.
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