Was Jesus saved by faith or by works?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Why would he have to be saved to be heaven-bound?

You asked what saved means. I told you. Now you are rejecting my definition when most of christianity uses saved the same way I just explained. Come on. Stop arguing over definitions and let's get to the actual meaning.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Maybe I'm missing some deep theological thought, but if he was the creator and had all power, why would he need to be saved?

Considering the verse Raven cited says he was saved from death... I think your application of deity to this question isn't the solution.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Considering the verse Raven cited says he was saved from death... I think your application of deity to this question isn't the solution.

I think it is.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

You asked what saved means. I told you. Now you are rejecting my definition when most of christianity uses saved the same way I just explained. Come on. Stop arguing over definitions and let's get to the actual meaning.

I am not rejecting it. I am asking for the reasoning of why Jesus would have to be saved to be heaven-bound. I fail to see the required connection and I want your explanation, is all.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Considering the verse Raven cited says he was saved from death... I think your application of deity to this question isn't the solution.

Does nobody anymore understand the basic concept of the belief that Jesus was man and God, whether they agree with it or not?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am not rejecting it. I am asking for the reasoning of why Jesus would have to be saved to be heaven-bound. I fail to see the required connection and I want your explanation, is all.

I never said he had to be saved to be heaven bound... I SAID: being saved means heaven bound. There's a vast world of difference between what I said and what you keep asking about.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Does nobody anymore understand the basic concept of the belief that Jesus was man and God, whether they agree with it or not?

Yes I understand the belief quite well. I don't think applying it to a question about how Jesus was saved counts as an argument for refusing to say Jesus was saved when the bible talks about Jesus being saved from death.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I never said he had to be saved to be heaven bound... I SAID: being saved means heaven bound. There's a vast world of difference between what I said and what you keep asking about.

Well, then be more clear about it. lol

So from our perspective if being saved means heaven-bound, then we are supposed to think Jesus needed salvation since He was on His way to Heaven. Nah, don't think so. Being Heaven-bound is not being saved when it comes to One like Jesus who came from there and simply returned. Unless you're not being clear again.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Well, then be more clear about it. lol

So from our perspective if being saved means heaven-bound, then we are supposed to think Jesus needed salvation since He was on His way to Heaven. Nah, don't think so. Being Heaven-bound is not being saved when it comes to One like Jesus who came from there and simply returned. Unless you're not being clear again.

Blume get past the word saved. Apparently in your vocabularly it has nothing to do with what I am trying to ask and that's fine. Just move on past it. Now, I told you when I said saved I meant heaven-bound. So replace my use of saved with heaven-bound. Tada! Can we finally get to the question I was asking? Was Jesus heaven bound because of his faith or because of his works?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Yes I understand the belief quite well. I don't think applying it to a question about how Jesus was saved counts as an argument for refusing to say Jesus was saved when the bible talks about Jesus being saved from death.

"Saved" in the common understanding that people will respond to when you use that term is not the same thing as Jesus being saved from death. From our perspective "saved" implies that we were lost in sin and we were rescued from it. That is why everyone will respond the way they do.

You claimed salvation means heaven-bound. That does not apply whatsoever to the passage that states Jesus was saved from death. Saved from death simply meant delivered from being crucified. How could that relate to being heaven-bound?