Almost saved- so near and yet so far

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Perhaps we should have a discussion on what we define as "works"?

"For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God." Romans 4:2

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." James 2:18

I would like for rrford and/or Coonskinner to comment on this, if they feel inclined. Thanks!

Oops, I messed up this post! Cindy!!!

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I see.

Thanks for the correction.

Sorry.

Tell us how many * it had so we can figure it out!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Perhaps we should have a discussion on what we define as "works"?

"For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God." Romans 4:2

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." James 2:18

It is works if it is used to bring salvation. We are justified through faith. We are saved by grace through faith. Salvation is a gift from God. A gift is neither earned or merited. Works are means by which one merits grace. That is what many so-called three step proponents believe.

Works which bring about salvation is unbiblical. Works because of salvation is biblical.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Tell us how many * it had so we can figure it out!!!!!

Some might use the *&^$ method as well.

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Some might use the *&^$ method as well.

Man, I will NEVER figure it out!!!

[Cindy]

Let me make sure I get this right. The way to tell that someone is saved is by looking at their outward appearance? That has to be it, because we aren't God, so we can't see their heart. Wait, that can't be right. Because........................................... ..............
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7 KJV

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I have never known you to have to PO, in the short time I have been back here.

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Originally Posted by Cindy

Let me make sure I get this right. The way to tell that someone is saved is by looking at their outward appearance? That has to be it, because we aren't God, so we can't see their heart. Wait, that can't be right. Because........................................... ..............
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7 KJV

No, no, no... don't quote that scripture... it just makes them angrier!

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional

It is works if it is used to bring salvation. We are justified through faith. We are saved by grace through faith. Salvation is a gift from God. A gift is neither earned or merited. Works are means by which one merits grace. That is what many so-called three step proponents believe.

Works which bring about salvation is unbiblical. Works because of salvation is biblical.

So, what is it called when I walk across the room and step into the baptistery? That looks like, to me, that I am showing my faith by my works.

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional

I have never known you to have to PO, in the short time I have been back here.

Hey, that wasn't funny!!!