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01-27-2011, 07:47 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
Well, did not Jesus say he is our Father?
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Uh, no.
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01-27-2011, 08:02 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
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Uh, no.
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Uh, yeah
Rev 21
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Sounds like a Father to me...
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01-27-2011, 08:16 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
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Uh, yeah
Rev 21
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
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We are sons of God, so yes God is our Father. This is not so much discussing the Father/Son relationship brought about by the incarnation. Jesus never claimed to be the Father of the only begotten Son.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-27-2011, 08:21 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
We are sons of God, so yes God is our Father. This is not so much discussing the Father/Son relationship brought about by the incarnation. Jesus never claimed to be the Father of the only begotten Son.
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I never said this. My initial post was "did not Jesus say he is our Father?"
According to Rev 1:8-11, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega and in Rev 21:6-7, he says we are his sons.
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01-27-2011, 08:29 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
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I never said this. My initial post was "did not Jesus say he is our Father?"
According to Rev 1:8-11, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega and in Rev 21:6-7, he says we are his sons. |
Correct. I posted on the fly and read your post in view of the thread subject matter rather than what you were responding to.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-27-2011, 08:45 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mark 13:32
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01-27-2011, 09:12 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
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Originally Posted by Nina
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
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Does Jesus know the day of his coming?
If yes, does this imply He is the Father?
If no, then Jesus is not the omniscient (all knowing) God that oneness and trinitarians claim He is.
So does Jesus know the day?
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01-27-2011, 09:14 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
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Does Jesus know the day of his coming?
If yes, does this imply He is the Father?
If no, then Jesus is not the omniscient (all knowing) God that oneness and trinitarians claim He is.
So does Jesus know the day?
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"nor the Son"
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01-27-2011, 09:18 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
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Originally Posted by Sabby
Thanks for this explanation of the word. You are right on in that both trini's and op's use the same scripture to justify their positions. In oneness pentecost, we have assumed that the godhead naturally defines the ONE God in the numerical singular aspect of our understanding.
After all, we identify ourselves as "one God" believers. All the while we misunderstand the multi-faceted God we serve while claiming to know every detail. Sometimes we speak and act as if we understand it all and actually have the God of the universe all figured out. The Word in flesh IS a great mystery. How it happened and the particulars are really beyond human comprehension. Though we pigeon-hole the godhead into oneness "sound bites", it is never quite that simple. (I will now default to Deut 6:4). 
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For a more formal discussion and my translation notes, see The Godhead Thread. There is also a down load note (attachment) in the second post you might find interesting.
I like you deferring to De 6:4. You might also like to review Deut 6:4 Translation Notes
These two references are somewhat incomplete due to loosing my computer and back up files a year ago.
There is also a very nice, one page write up on the Jewish view of the oneness of God at Three in One?, written by a friend of mine, Dr. Robert Allon.
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01-27-2011, 09:21 PM
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Re: The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking
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Originally Posted by Nina
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mark 13:32 |
I figured out the time. It will be the 2 pm hour. Some one else will have to figure out the day, month and year. 
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