Justification By Faith by Oswald Chambers

crakjak · #1 10-29-2007, 10:59 AM

"If when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life" (Romans 5:10).

I am not saved by believing--I simply realize I am saved by believing. And it is not repentance that saves me--repentance is only the sign that I realize what God has done through Christ Jesus. The danger here is putting the emphasis on the effect, instead of on the cause. Is it my obedience, consecration, and dedication that make me right with God? It is never that! I am made right with God because, prior to all that, Christ died. When I turn to God and by belief accept what God reveals, the miraculous atonement by the Cross of Christ instantly places me into a right relationship with God. And as a result of the supernatural miracle of God's grace I stand justified, not because I am sorry for my sin, or because I have repented, but because of what Jesus has done. The Spirit of God bring justification with a shattering, radiant light, and I know that I am saved, even though I don't know how it is accomplished.

The salvation that comes from God is not based on human logic, but on the sacrificial death of Jesus. We can be born again solely because of the atonement of our Lord. Sinful men and women can be changed into new creations, not through their repentance or their belief, but through the wonderful work of God in Christ Jesus which preceded all of our experience (see 2 Corinthians 5:17-19). The unconquerable safety of justification and sanctification is God Himself. We do not have to accomplish these things ourselves--they have been accomplished through the atonement of the Cross of Christ. The supernatural becomes natural to us through the miracle of God, and there is the realization of what Jesus Christ has already done--It is finished!' (John 19:30).

Sometimes folks speak the truth throught the inspiration of the Holy Spirit without realizing the fullnes of what they speak. In other words, I did not know that Oswald Chambers believed in the greater hope of all mankind.

Steve Epley · #2 10-29-2007, 01:33 PM

Who is Oswald Chambers and who cares what he believes???? NOT ME!

crakjak · #3 10-30-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Who is Oswald Chambers and who cares what he believes???? NOT ME!

You don't get out much do you, brother?

Evang.Benincasa · #4 10-30-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Who is Oswald Chambers and who cares what he believes???? NOT ME!

Oswald Chambers is a Trinitarian, who wrote the book "My Utmost For His Highest," which would be his most popular. Other than that he is as lost as Joseph Smith and William Branham.

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

crakjak · #5 10-30-2007, 12:34 AM

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Oswald Chambers is a Trinitarian, who wrote the book "My Utmost For His Highest," which would be his most popular. Other than that he is as lost as Joseph Smith and William Branham.

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I don't believe you can establish a traditional Trinitarian view from his writings, so why judge him so harshly?? Besides Jesus came to seek and to save the LOST, so being lost is not the end.

Evang.Benincasa · #6 10-30-2007, 12:40 AM

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I don't believe you can establish a traditional Trinitarian view from his writings, so why judge him so harshly?? Besides Jesus came to seek and to save the LOST, so being lost is not the end.

The Lord love you CJ, I'm just stating a fact Oswald missed it and therefore he will suffer the penalty of rejecting the truth. Being dead and lost is the END.

Felicity · #7 11-16-2007, 12:00 AM

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I don't believe you can establish a traditional Trinitarian view from his writings, so why judge him so harshly?? Besides Jesus came to seek and to save the LOST, so being lost is not the end.

I discovered OC when I was a very young wife and mother and was so inspired by his writing.

If he was trinitarian it really wasn't very apparent and certainly didn't take away from the depth and richness of his understanding of spiritual things and the deeper Christian life. I loved the fact you couldn't just gloss over his writing but you had to 'think' about what was being related.

I had never read anything finer up until that point as far as devotional writing is concerned.

crakjak · #8 11-16-2007, 01:30 AM

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I discovered OC when I was a very young wife and mother and was so inspired by his writing.

If he was trinitarian it really wasn't very apparent and certainly didn't take away from the depth and richness of his understanding of spiritual things and the deeper Christian life. I loved the fact you couldn't just gloss over his writing but you had to 'think' about what was being related.

I had never read anything finer up until that point as far as devotional writing is concerned.

I first tried to read "Oswald", as my wife and I call, "My Utmost for His Highest" I couldn't get in to it. But about ten years later, desperately needing inspiration, direction and growth I picked it up again and it was amazing. Many days it was as if God was speaking directly to me about exactly what I was dealing with. In fact, He was.

Yes, he makes you think in ways that you had never considered. Matter fact we went thru MUFHH about four years straight before tiring of it at all. Wonderful resource for daily encouragement and personal spiritual challenge.

I agree that there is certainly no evidence of a trinitarian view from his writings, seemed to be a non-issue.

mfblume · #9 10-29-2007, 02:12 PM

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"If when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life" (Romans 5:10).

I am not saved by believing--I simply realize I am saved by believing. And it is not repentance that saves me--repentance is only the sign that I realize what God has done through Christ Jesus.

Wrong.

Luk 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

WHAT DOES PERISH MEAN?

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G622
ἀπόλλυμι
apollumi
ap-ol'-loo-mee
From G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.

Some will Perish, since they did not repent. And PERISH implies nothing about temporary punishment, but to destroy fully. Repentance saves from perishing.

crakjak · #10 10-30-2007, 12:19 AM

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Wrong.

Luk 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

WHAT DOES PERISH MEAN?

Some will Perish, since they did not repent. And PERISH implies nothing about temporary punishment, but to destroy fully. Repentance saves from perishing.

I appreicate your much more merciful end of the majority of mankind, but I believe God is much more effective in His saving of those created in His image. God is not punitive, that is a characteristic of fallen man, it is not about punishment, it is about correction.

Luke 13:3 Is referring to a temporal perishing, not permanent annihilation. Those folks will be resurrected with the wicked dead, so it is not permanent. Why raise them just to annihilate them again?

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

You know what Jesus was referring to; that unless they believed on Him they would likewise physically die in the destruction coming in 70 AD. He goes on to lament over Jerusalem toward the end of that very chapter.