**RANDY PHILLPS** Belief Statement- Is it the same as his Fathers???

[Thad]

Belief Statement of Promiseland West - Pastor Randy Phillips


The Godhead
( I John 5:7; Matthew 28:19; 1 Tim 3:16) We believe in one God who is eternal in His existence, Triune in His manifestation, being both Father, Son and Holy Ghost AND that He is Sovereign and Absolute in His authority. We believe in the Father who is God Himself, Creator of the universe. {Gen 1:1; John 1:1} We believe that Jesus is the Son of God. (Col 2:9) He suffered, died, was buried, and rose from the dead for our total salvation (Luke 3:21-22; Philippians 2:5-11). We believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

No one comes to the Father except through Him (John 3:36; John 3:31-32; John 14:6).We believe that the blood of Jesus Christ atones for our sins and iniquity. It is through His shed blood that we are saved, healed and set free from bondage and the forces of darkness (Romans 5:9-11; Ephesians 1:7; Revelation 12:11). We believe in the Holy Spirit who is God indwelling, empowering and regenerating the believer. This Holy Spirit is called the Comforter. The Spirit of Truth (John 14:17, 14:26)·



Believer's Responsibility
We believe that every believer must have a personal and intimate relationship with Jesus Christ, for apart from Him we can do nothing. Each person has a ministry from God that no one else can fill. We are to instruct, teach, exhort, and admonish believers in the ways of God (John 15:1-5; Hebrews 13:5-6).We believe that every believer should live a life that is pleasing to God. We must walk upright and fully conscious that Jesus Christ dwells within us.



The Word of God
We believe that the Bible is the true infallible Word of God, which cleanses our souls. It holds the words of eternal life and the keys of the Kingdom of God. The Bible shows us God's principles and standards for living; and it is the food that sustains us in all circumstances (John 1:14; 2 Timothy 3: 16-17; 1 John 2:5-6).We believe that we are to wash and renew our minds daily by the Word of God. We must learn His ways and exchange our way of thinking for His. We are to be conformed to the Kingdom of God by the molding and shaping of His Hands (Romans 12:1-2; Ephesians 4:23-29; Philippians 4:8).



Justification by Faith
We believe in justification by faith. We believe that salvation is free and apart from any work of man is a result of the sovereign grace of God. (Eph 2:8-9, Gal 5:5, Rom 5:1)



Praise and Worship
We believe in worshipping the Lord in spirit, song, dance and with the raising of our hands. We believe that we are to praise and worship Him with our whole being (Psalms 150:1-6; John 4:24).We believe that in Godly living and the pursuit of a holy life should be the goal of every believer. (Heb 12:14, Phil 3:14)



Water Baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism
We believe that believers should be water baptized by immersion for the circumcision of our hearts. It is through baptism that we publicly identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Romans 6:3-6; Colossians 2:11-14; Acts 2:38).We believe that all Christians need to partake of the communion elements which represent the Lord Jesus' body and blood. It is by participating in the Lord's Supper that we proclaim His death until His return (John 6:53-58; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30).We believe that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is available to every believer. We believe that Christians can pray directly to God using their prayer language. (Acts 2:4; Ephesians 5:18-21).



Gifts of the Holy Spirit
We believe in the manifestation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. He ministers to His people through tongues, interpretation of tongues, prophecy; words of knowledge and wisdom, discerning of spirits, faith, working of miracles, and healing (Mark 16:15-18; Acts 5:16; 2 Corinthians 12:1-11).



Healing and Deliverance
We believe that it is God's will to heal and deliver His people today as He did in the days of the first Apostles. It is by the stripes of Jesus that we are healed, delivered and made whole. We have authority over sickness, disease, demons, curses, and every circumstance in life (Luke 10:19; 2 Corinthians 10:4-5; 1 Peter 2:24). "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature... And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." (Mark 16:15-18)


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[Thad]

I see nothing that mentions HOW they baptize.

Is it an oversight on my part ???

[Thad]

I would appreciate some input on this.

long ago there were many who denied that there was any difference whatsoever in the son's belief's from the fathers.

does this belief prove otherwise??


your thoughts please

[joyful]

You are right. It doesn't seem to specify how on this page, but on the main Promiseland site for KP's, it does. It says:

We believe that believers should be water baptized by immersion in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the circumcision of our hearts. It is through baptism that we publicly identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ
Romans 6:3-6; Colossians 2:11-14; Acts 2:38

There is also a difference in wording regarding the Holy Ghost. This is from the main Promiseland site:

We believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the sign of speaking in other tongues. We believe that Christians must be filled daily by using the prayer language, but the evidence of the Holy Spirit's indwelling presence is a changed life
Acts 2:4; Ephesians 5:18-21

Also a difference between the above saying that Jesus is the Son of God and KP's site saying

We believe that Jesus is the Flesh of God.
Col 2:9

[Joseph Miller]

• We believe in one God who is eternal in His existence, Triune in His manifestation, being Father, Son and Holy Ghost AND that He is Sovereign and Absolute in His authority.
  I Timothy 3:16, Ephesians 4:4 & Colossians 2:9
• We believe in the Father who is God Himself, Creator of the universe.
  Gen 1:1; John 1:1
• We believe that Jesus is the Flesh of God.
  Col 2:9
• We believe that Jesus suffered, died, was buried, and rose from the dead for our total salvation
  Luke 3:21-22; Philippians 2:5-11
• We believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him
  John 3:36; John 3:31-32; John 14:6
• We believe in the Holy Spirit who is God indwelling, empowering and regenerating the believer. This Holy Spirit is called the Comforter. The Spirit of Truth
  John 14:17, 14:26
• We believe that the blood of Jesus Christ atones for our sins and iniquity.It is through His shed blood that we are saved, healed and set free from bondage and the forces of darkness
  Romans 5:9-11; Ephesians 1:7; Revelation 12:11
• We believe that every believer must have a personal and intimate relationship with Jesus Christ, for apart from Him we can do nothing. Each person has a ministry from God that no one else can fill. We are to instruct, teach, exhort, and admonish believers in the ways of God
  John 15:1-5; Hebrews 13:5-6
• We believe that the Bible is the true infallible Word of God, which cleanses our souls. It holds the words of eternal life and the keys of the Kingdom of God. The Bible shows us God's principles and standards for living; and it is the food that sustains us in all circumstances
  John 1:14; 2 Timothy 3: 16-17; 1 John 2:5-6
• We believe that we are to wash and renew our minds daily by the Word of God.
  Titus 3:5 & Ephesians 5:26
• We must learn His ways and exchange our way of thinking for His. We are to be conformed to the Kingdom of God by the molding and shaping of His Hands
  Romans 12:1-2; Ephesians 4:23-29; Philippians 4:8
• We believe in justification by faith. We believe that salvation is free and apart from any work of man is a result of the sovereign grace of God.
  Eph 2:8-9, Gal 5:5, Rom 5:1
• We believe in worshipping the Lord in spirit, song, dance and with the raising of our hands. We believe that we are to praise and worship Him with our whole being
  Psalms 150:1-6; John 4:24
• We believe that in Godly living and the pursuit of a holy life should be the goal of every believer.
  Heb 12:14, Phil 3:14
• We believe that believers should be water baptized by immersion in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the circumcision of our hearts. It is through baptism that we publicly identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ
  Romans 6:3-6; Colossians 2:11-14; Acts 2:38
• We believe that all Christians need to partake of the communion elements which represent the Lord Jesus' body and blood. It is by participating in the Lord's Supper that we proclaim His death until His return
  John 6:53-58; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30
• We believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the sign of speaking in other tongues. We believe that Christians must be filled daily by using the prayer language, but the evidence of the Holy Spirit's indwelling presence is a changed life
  Acts 2:4; Ephesians 5:18-21
• We believe in the manifestation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. He ministers to His people through tongues, interpretation of tongues, prophecy; words of knowledge and wisdom, discerning of spirits, faith, working of miracles, healing, helps and government."
  Mark 16:15-18; Acts 5:16; 2 Corinthians 12:1-11
• We believe that it is God's will to heal and deliver His people today as He did in the days of the first Apostles. It is by the stripes of Jesus that we are healed, delivered and made whole. We have authority over sickness, disease, demons, curses, and every circumstance in life
  Luke 10:19; 2 Corinthians 10:4-5; 1 Peter 2:24
• "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature... And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons;they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
  Mark 16:15-18

This is the statement of faith from the dad's church. The first statements make me think they believe the same thing.

[Joseph Miller]

The part of baptism is better on the fathers but not the part about the Godhead.

[joyful]

Based on the three differences relating to wording on the Godhead, baptism, and HGB, it appears that there are some differences in belief between son and father.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by joyful

Based on the three differences relating to wording on the Godhead, baptism, and HGB, it appears that there are some differences in belief between son and father.

Randy has hosted TBN where at the end he has given the invitation or prayer for salvation

It didn't sound similar to KP

[joyful]

To me the use of the dreaded word "triune" wasn't that troublesome on KP's site, because the rest of the statement does not read like a trinitarian statement of belief on the Godhead at all. It doesn't say triune in nature or persons, just in manifestations. I realize that many would feel that the word itself is an attempt to compromise and flirt with trinitarian doctrine, but I'm sure that those people have many other reasons to disagree with KP than just this wording.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by joyful

To me the use of the dreaded word "triune" wasn't that troublesome on KP's site, because the rest of the statement does not read like a trinitarian statement of belief on the Godhead at all. It doesn't say triune in nature or persons, just in manifestations. I realize that many would feel that the word itself is an attempt to compromise and flirt with trinitarian doctrine, but I'm sure that those people have many other reasons to disagree with KP than just this wording.

As long as the "Triune" is not referring to "3 persons/People" is that bad ??
I am not sure but I do agree, some will be upset