His or Not His?: God is pouring out His Spirit

SDG · #1 03-04-2007, 10:26 AM

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is defined by many as that work whereby the Spirit of God places the believer into union with Christ and into union with other believers in the Body of Christ at the moment of salvation.

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 and Romans 6:1-4 are the central passages in the Bible where we find this doctrine. 1 Corinthians 12:13 states, "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

NOW IF THIS BE TRUE ....

and Wikipedia and other sources report:

The largest Pentecostal denominations in the United States are the Assemblies of God, the Church of God in Christ, New Testament Church, Church of God (Cleveland), Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the United Pentecostal Church. According to a Spring 1998 article in Christian History, there are about 11,000 different Pentecostal or charismatic denominations worldwide.

The size of Pentecostalism in the U.S. is estimated to be more than 20 million including approximately 918,000 (4%) of the Hispanic-American population, counting all unaffiliated congregations, although the numbers are uncertain, in part because some tenets of Pentecostalism are held by members of non-Pentecostal denominations in what has been called the charismatic movement. Toronto Canada, has a large Pentecostal population. The influence of immigrants from Jamaica, Africa, Latin America, Korea and basically everywhere, have created diverse churches throughout the city.

Pentecostalism was estimated to number around 115 million followers worldwide in 2000; lower estimates place the figure near to 22 million (eg. Cambridge Encyclopedia), while the highest estimates apparently place the figure between 400 and 600 million. The great majority of Pentecostals are to be found in Developing Countries (see the Statistics subsection below), although much of their international leadership is still North American. Pentecostalism is sometimes referred to as the "third force of Christianity.

If this be true .... and we assume these millions, for the most part, have received the baptism of the Holy Ghost .... ARE THEY HIS OR NOT HIS???

What say ye?

whollyHis · #2 03-04-2007, 12:33 PM

The Name of Jesus is what sets His children apart- not the Holy Ghost. IMO

mizpeh · #3 03-04-2007, 12:40 PM

They are His.

SDG · #4 03-04-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

They are His.

Care to elaborate Mizpeh.

mizpeh · #5 03-04-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Care to elaborate Mizpeh.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

They belong to God and hopefully they will go on into further truth and be baptized in the name of the Lord.

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Ro 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

chosenbyone · #6 03-04-2007, 04:34 PM

I believe that God is the only one that knows for sure who would enter into his kingdom. I believe in the Apostolic doctrine, but I know that God's grace and mercy are limitless.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life." John 6:47

SDG · #7 03-04-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chosenbyone

I believe that God is the only one that knows for sure who would enter into his kingdom. I believe in the Apostolic doctrine, but I know that God's grace and mercy are limitless.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life." John 6:47

I agree Chosen ... only God knows for sure ....

but Paul seems to be saying that all Spirit-filled Christians are baptized into one body .... 1 Corinthians 12:13 states, "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

This same verse is used by many to argue that Holy Ghost baptism is required for salvation.

but my question is not about whether or not they are saved ...

but if they are part of the Body ...

denominations and organizations have decided with whom they will fellowship and who they consider as part of the Body ... so the question still remains ARE THEY OR THEY NOT HIS?

SDG · #8 03-04-2007, 05:11 PM

Is this church congregation .... HIS OR NOT HIS ???... they are trinitarian ... but are Holy Ghost baptized and are strict adherents to many holiness dress standards .....

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtm...T_FEATURE.html

ManOfWord · #9 03-04-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Is this church congregation .... HIS OR NOT HIS ???... they are trinitarian ... but are Holy Ghost baptized and are strict adherents to many holiness dress standards .....

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtm...T_FEATURE.html

Well, after watching most of the video, I can conclude that these people are indeed, heathens! They are in a false religion and have been lead astray by the devil. They don't preach Jesus' name baptism and don't understand the Godhead correctly! I don't know why God fills them with the Holy Ghost other than maybe to mock their shallow commitment and false doctrine. They will split hell wide open on judgement day!!!!

At least that is what some will think of them...............but not me and I don't think Jesus does either.

May the Lord bless them and lead them into all truth! But if not into the truth that we know, may He bless them according to His will!!!!

chosenbyone · #10 03-04-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Is this church congregation .... HIS OR NOT HIS ???... they are trinitarian ... but are Holy Ghost baptized and are strict adherents to many holiness dress standards .....

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtm...T_FEATURE.html

Brother -

That was off the hook! I felt the Holy Ghost! Thank you for sharing this with us, Dan.

Great job!!!

Our God is an AWESOME God!!!