Homosexuality Or Legalism--Which Is Worse?

[Amos]

On another thread, tv1a and RandyWayne are promoting the idea that legalism is worse and more difficult to overcome than homosexuality.

What say ye?

[Amos]

Originally Posted by tv1a
It may be better to cruise the gay bars for a youth pastor before checking out some of the churches for a youth pastor. Won't find much legalism in a gay bar.

This is the beginning of the line of thought.

[Amos]

I posted that I thought it was quite a stretch to prefer homosexuality over legalism.

This was RW's response, and my rebuttal.

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Why not? The pharisees were the only ones that Jesus got truly angry with.

The spirit of homosexuality denies the power and ored of God and creation itself. In that dimension, it is more akin to the Saducees, who were completely unspiritual. Jesus had NO time for them. The Pharisees He did at least deal with, and salvaged some of them.

You will find nowhere in the Gospels where He spent any time working on a Saducee.

Homosexuality is a far bigger problem to deal with than legalism. At least with a legalist, you have a person who values the Word of God and can be taught.

Generally speaking, homosexuals totally deny the authority of God or His Word.

If this is a common conception--that homosexuality is preferable to legalism--then the movement is in worse shape than I thought.

That is a sick and totally twisted perception.

[tv1a]

I do question if legalists can be taught. Without going into detail, I've observed the best legalists make the best homosexuals. I shouldl go through the similarities between homosexuality and legalism, but I don't want to be accused of calling all legalists homosexual.

[Brett Prince]

Again, speak truths about something, but then attach that title concerning that truth to people who do not fit the description, and then you can paint them in a bad line...guilty by association.

I'm sorry. I don't agree with Steve Epley on everything, but I do not see Steve Epley as legalistic. The same goes for Bros. Boyd, Groce, White, etc. Those of you who TRULY believe them to be legalistic DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEM OR WHERE THEY STAND, HOW THEY VIEW THINGS.

You need to listen rather than label.

[tv1a]

Why mention names? This thread has nothing to do with personalities. I don't know about others, but I had no intentions of naming people in this discussion. This has nothing to do with personalities, but whcih is worse, legalism or homosexuality. I pointed out comparisons not to accuse anyone. That is why I said there are comparisons, but if I were to mention them, I would be accused of calling all legalists homosexuals. There are parallels between legalism and religious tolerance of homosexuality. Let's take the personalities out of the equation and look at this as grown ups.

Why does the word homosexual scare the snot out of us while we accept the word legalism as a term of endearment?

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Again, speak truths about something, but then attach that title concerning that truth to people who do not fit the description, and then you can paint them in a bad line...guilty by association.

I'm sorry. I don't agree with Steve Epley on everything, but I do not see Steve Epley as legalistic. The same goes for Bros. Boyd, Groce, White, etc. Those of you who TRULY believe them to be legalistic DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEM OR WHERE THEY STAND, HOW THEY VIEW THINGS.

You need to listen rather than label.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Why does the word homosexual scare the snot out of us while we accept the word legalism as a term of endearment?

Nobody here used the word Legalism as a term of endearment. IN fact they are all denying they are legalists...apparently they don't like the term

[OP_Carl]

The righteous are scarcely saved.

The legalists are preferable, for there is a chance that at least some of them will not be lost.

None will make heaven from a stool in a gay bar.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I do question if legalists can be taught.

Dare we question what it is, in your opinion, legalists ought to be taught?

Without going into detail,

An excellent decision.

I've observed the best legalists make the best homosexuals.

"make" = transform into, or "make" = raise up? If you're talking about people who are shallow and completely devoid of understanding beyond their clothesline, I can see your point. The facts on the ground are not usually as stark as they are painted to be when aspersions are cast. Holding fast to old truths strictly can still be done with all power, spirit, and righteousness.

I shouldl go through the similarities between homosexuality and legalism, but I don't want to be accused of calling all legalists homosexual.

Although we could compare your similarities to his, the comparison alone won't make you a Darwinian relative of a chimpanzee. Here, have another banana.

[tv1a]

I'll pass on the bananna. I can't stand them. If you have grapefruit however.. lol

I don't know if you closely read the post I was referring to that stated legalists can be taught. That was response to that quote.

Again it is a personal observation that the best legalists make the best homosexuals. Some may remember the situation my family went through a couple years back. I care not rehash or open up old wounds. Needless to say it wasn't too much of a stretch to go from legalism to homosexuality.

Holding fast to old truths strictly can still be done with all power, spirit, and righteousness.

A huge AMEN from me. But that's not the point. There is truth and there is opinion. We need to get back to the place where we can differentiate between the two.

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Dare we question what it is, in your opinion, legalists ought to be taught?

An excellent decision.

"make" = transform into, or "make" = raise up? If you're talking about people who are shallow and completely devoid of understanding beyond their clothesline, I can see your point. The facts on the ground are not usually as stark as they are painted to be when aspersions are cast. Holding fast to old truths strictly can still be done with all power, spirit, and righteousness.


Although we could compare your similarities to his, the comparison alone won't make you a Darwinian relative of a chimpanzee. Here, have another banana.