Divine Flesh - Post Resurrection

We thoroughly hashed the Heavenly Flesh and the original sin question to the extent of about 35 pages recently. It was a good discussion. I appreciate everyone's input even though I did not start that thread.

However, in line with that thought, we have almost unanimously concluded that the body that Jesus was born with was not in any way unlike our own, being made like unto his bretheren, according to Heb 2nd chapter.

Nevertheless, have you considered the state of the post resurrected body of Jesus? Would you say that his physical body is in every sense of the word, divine today? Would you now consider it to be Divine Flesh on this side of His tomb? Would you now think of Him being divine, both Spirit and Body?

If you give an answer, please substantiate your belief with scripture since you probably would have little to go on scientifically.

I will wait for your response.

Where is m' little buddy DA? Prax, where are you? Elder Epley? Anyone?

Thaniks

[Scott Hutchinson]

Would not Jesus Christ in Heaven have a immortal or spiritual body that is incorruptible like 1.COR.15 speaks of for believers in their resurrected state ?He has a body form no doubt ,but His body now is a immortal one I would think.

[SDG]

Ya know Elder ... I'm all "fleshed" out ...

Last time we hung out like this I got a little bored .... and you know what they say about the idle mind.

I'm getting ready for my trip to Wilmington tomorrah.

but ... I'll chime in ... if I hear anything that sounds ignant .... Caveat Praxeas.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

We thoroughly hashed the Heavenly Flesh and the original sin question to the extent of about 35 pages recently. It was a good discussion. I appreciate everyone's input even though I did not start that thread.

However, in line with that thought, we have almost unanimously concluded that the body that Jesus was born with was not in any way unlike our own, being made like unto his bretheren, according to Heb 2nd chapter.

Nevertheless, have you considered the state of the post resurrected body of Jesus? Would you say that his physical body is in every sense of the word, divine today? Would you now consider it to be Divine Flesh on this side of His tomb? Would you now think of Him being divine, both Spirit and Body?

If you give an answer, please substantiate your belief with scripture since you probably would have little to go on scientifically.

I will wait for your response.

Where is m' little buddy DA? Prax, where are you? Elder Epley? Anyone?

Thaniks

I guess we would have to define "Divine"....the bible uses the word uncorruptable

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I guess we would have to define "Divine"....the bible uses the word uncorruptable

Well what do you know we do agree.Now Prax give me your brain.

[Steve Epley]

Jesus resurrected immortal with a spiritual body. A literal physical body with immortality.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus resurrected immortal with a spiritual body. A literal physical body with immortality.

A PHYSICAL BODY has blood, flesh, and bones. So Yeshua does NOT have a PHYSICAL body.

Paul taught he was made A QUICKENING SPIRIT.

44: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45: And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

There are only 2 kinds of bodies. Natural (physical) and spiritual. Flesh or spirit. Earthly or heavenly.

Yeshua has an immortal spiritual body.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

A PHYSICAL BODY has blood, flesh, and bones. So Yeshua does NOT have a PHYSICAL body.

Paul taught he was made A QUICKENING SPIRIT.

44: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45: And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

There are only 2 kinds of bodies. Natural (physical) and spiritual. Flesh or spirit. Earthly or heavenly.

Yeshua has an immortal spiritual body.

You do not believe that the same Jesus who went away will come again? Somehow he has changed into something that he was not when he went away? In other words, according to your thinking, Jesus no longer has a corporeal body of flesh and bones that he said he had after his resurrection?

btw, who is Yeshua?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I guess we would have to define "Divine"....the bible uses the word uncorruptable

Good idea...

Theios... Greek

A general name of dieties or divinities.

Here are some places that it is used:

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then 3767 as we are 5225 the offspring 1085 of God 2316, we ought 3784 not 3756 to think 3543 that the Godhead 2304 is 1511 like 3664 unto gold 5557, or 2228 silver 696, or 2228 stone 3037, graven 5480 by art 5078 and 2532 man's 444 device 1761.

2Pe 1:3 According as 5613 his 846 divine 2304 power 1411 hath given 1433 unto us 2254 all things 3956 that [pertain] unto 4314 life 2222 and 2532 godliness 2150, through 1223 the knowledge 1922 of him that hath called 2564 us 2248 to 1223 glory 1391 and 2532 virtue 703:

2Pe 1:4 Whereby 1223 3739 are given 1433 unto us 2254 exceeding great 3176 and 2532 precious 5093 promises 1862: that 2443 by 1223 these 5130 ye might be 1096 partakers 2844 of the divine 2304 nature 5449, having escaped 668 the corruption 5356 that is in 1722 the world 2889 through 1722 lust 1939.

So would anyone here be willing to say that the present condition of the physical body of Jesus is less God (divine) than His spirit? In other words, can the man Christ Jesus (out mediator) be considered LESS DIETY than His Spirit. I believe that we would all agree than His spirit is entirely diety or what is called DIVINITY. What about the man, including His body? Any less so, or is He entirely in the state of DIETY?

[Beard]

[QUOTE]Michael The Disciple

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Quote:

Certainly, I believe the scriptures but I do not see the exclucivity that you are trying to imply that it has. I don't see Paul giving any options here, as you have assumed.

Cetainly a natural body is raised a spiritual body, but not to the exclusion of it being a natural body. The body of Jesus is a natural expression of that. If that body is not a spiritual body, what else would account for the immortality OF THAT BODY? Of course it is becomes a spiritual body.



Since I do not speak Hebrew, have no desire to speak Hebrew, do not understand those who do speak Hebrew, I would only assume that you are speaking of Jesus Christ, my Lord. He is the only Messiah that I know. But, he was NOT a Jewish Messiah. He is THE savior to the whole world.

I refuse to call Jesus by Jewish name. I only speak English. To those that speak Hebrew, I cannot relate unless they speak English, my own tongue.
Well Paul seems to differentiate between the natural body and the spiritual body. What people generally call a "glorified body" is simply called by Paul a "spiritual body".

A natural body is simply a body of Earth as we now have. At the resurrection I will not have a natural body but a spiritual body.

46: Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1 Cor. 15:46

You refuse to call Jesus by his Hebrew name given to him by an Angel by the command of YAH? Has anyone demanded you do so? You asked me who he is.

Now you are saying he is NOT the Jewish Messiah but the Savior of the world. If you notice I said that he WAS BOTH in my reply to you. If you deny he is the Jewish Messiah I pray he will have mercy on you.

Do you think it would be reasonable to assure that no Jewish people should call Yeshua by the English "Jesus"? When you turn it around you can see how strange what you said is.

No one asked you to use Yeshua. I am elated that I can. If a Jew wants to use Jesus thats great. If a Gentile wants to use Yeshua thats great. Why must there be a war?

A spiritual body is not spirit, but spiritual. There is a difference. That is where Divine flesh people miss it as Jesus is the Lord from heaven. (BTW: there is no reference here is calling anyone a believer in Divine Flesh). Divine flesh places Jesus glorification at birth, not at glorification after completing his work being resurrected. There is a time that Jesus in the days of His flesh was made Lord and Christ, though He was born Christ the Lord.

There were many things that he had to accomplish in working salvation in and of Himself which ultimately led him to the cross in his tasting death for all of mankind. When all was finished, God made that same Jesus who was crucified both Lord and Christ in glorification...declared to be the Son of God by the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. The body of Jesus is glorified and is divine at present. He is the God of heaven alone...Jesus is the Father, He is the Son of God, He is the Son of man, He is the Word, He is the Holy Ghost..He is all that God Is, the I AM... We shall see the nail prints in his hand...