In the women/pants/hell thread, SE gave this explanation of why certain abominations in the OT are still bad today, and some are now OK:
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Again READING the passage instead of reading AT IT would make it clear.
The unclean meats were an abomination UNTO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unisex clothing was an abomination UNTO GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU and GOD are NOT the same.
There are clear NT passages that make the eating of these meats proper there is NO passage that says unisex clothing is alright.
If it was an abomination UNTO GOD it still is.
This could cover the things mentioned as abominations (if it's correct), but what about the other laws? Not every forbidden thing is called an abomination, either to "you" or to "God". The Ten Commandments, for example, and "take no gift" (Exodus 23:8).
And is this way of classifying abominations a commonly held view of Apostolics? I have seen only SE espouse the idea, I think.
Any thoughts?
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Frist, there was a discussion of meats the other day and I believe that God clearly dealt with this spicifically in Acts.
I believe the law per say applies. however, the punishments perscribed in the OT were paid in full on the cross.
we still need to understand that what was intended by the law, is accomplished in the Christian by Grace...which Titus tells us is a teacher, guiding us away from sin and to an overcoming life!
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None Timmy. Yep, you can cuss, steal, lie, cheat, blasphemy...sin all day and all night long without any thought about repentance...oh wait....Hmmm the bible does say in the NT we have to repent. I wonder what we are supposed to repent of?
Maybe SOME THINGS...in the law...are still sins today. I'll venture to guess that if the NT mentions it being wrong (and it was wrong in the OT), then it's still wrong
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In late AD 49/early AD 50, there was a council in Jerusalem where the requirements of the Old Testament law were discussed. It was decided by the leaders of th early church how much of the OT law would be required under this new covenant. A letter was issued which covered these requirements. It is found in Acts 15:22-29.
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None Timmy. Yep, you can cuss, steal, lie, cheat, blasphemy...sin all day and all night long without any thought about repentance...oh wait....Hmmm the bible does say in the NT we have to repent. I wonder what we are supposed to repent of?
Maybe SOME THINGS...in the law...are still sins today. I'll venture to guess that if the NT mentions it being wrong (and it was wrong in the OT), then it's still wrong
just so long as you baptize in the titles.
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None Timmy. Yep, you can cuss, steal, lie, cheat, blasphemy...sin all day and all night long without any thought about repentance...oh wait....Hmmm the bible does say in the NT we have to repent. I wonder what we are supposed to repent of?
Maybe SOME THINGS...in the law...are still sins today. I'll venture to guess that if the NT mentions it being wrong (and it was wrong in the OT), then it's still wrong
Perhaps that would cover the the "Don'ts", but what about the "Dos"? Tithing, for example. There's controversy there, as the NT doesn't seem to affirm it (Jesus tells the Pharisees they should tithe, but that was during the old covenant). And the NT teaching on giving seems to replace tithing with giving as you see fit. 2 Corinthians 9:7. (According to some, anyway. Like I said, there's controversy!)
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18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV
And that's it... we are no longer under the law.
Jerry Moon
OK. If I'm led of the Spirit, I'm not under the law. (I know what you're thinking!)
But:
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Originally Posted by Sam
In late AD 49/early AD 50, there was a council in Jerusalem where the requirements of the Old Testament law were discussed. It was decided by the leaders of th early church how much of the OT law would be required under this new covenant. A letter was issued which covered these requirements. It is found in Acts 15:22-29.
1. Don't eat meats offered to idols.
2. Don't eat/drink blood.
3. Don't eat things that were strangled.
4. Don't commit fornication.
Don't do these things, and I'll do well. OK.
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Originally Posted by Arphaxad
1) You shall love the LORD your GOD with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.
2) Love your neighbor as yourself.
Do these and you shall do well.
ARPH
And do these things, and I'll do well. OK.
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All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 1 Corinthians 10:23
Hmm.
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For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Galatians 3:10
Uh oh. Timmy's confused again!
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