What Was Adam's Punishment? What Did Jesus Die to Cover?

[crakjak]

"And the Lord God commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; bu of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shall surely die." Gen. 2:16-17

The penalty that God intended to threaten to Adam would certainly be found at the very promulgation of the consequences of his sin. But it is nowhere intimated in the account of the first human transgression that he had incurred endless torment.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

"And the Lord God commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; bu of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shall surely die." Gen. 2:16-17

The penalty that God intended to threaten to Adam would certainly be found at the very promulgation of the consequences of his sin. But it is nowhere intimated in the account of the first human transgression that he had incurred endless torment.

Adam was told: "In the day that thou eatest thereof. thou shalt surely die," or, as a literal translation would read. "Dying thou shalt die." Whatever death Adam died, it was in the day he sinned. What death did he die, in that day?

This threatened death is not (1) of the body, for physical dissolution was the natural result of physical organization, and the death threatened was to be "in the day he sinned." His body did not die that day. (2) It was not eternal death for the same reason. He certainly went to no endless hell "in the day" of his transgression. It was (3) a moral, spiritual death, from which recover is feasible. Paul describes it: "Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart." Eph. 4:18

(J.W. Hanson, D.D.)

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

"And the Lord God commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; bu of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shall surely die." Gen. 2:16-17

The penalty that God intended to threaten to Adam would certainly be found at the very promulgation of the consequences of his sin. But it is nowhere intimated in the account of the first human transgression that he had incurred endless torment.

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[Sam]

We were dead in trespasses and sins and were by nature the children of wrath, and our lives were governed by the spirit that works in (energizes) the children of disobedience
BUT
we have been quickened or made alive by Jesus (Ephesians 2:1-10)

We know that we have passed from death to life because we love the brethren" 1 John 3:14

[Steve Epley]

The Lake of Fire is the SECOND Death Adam's passed that on to his human family.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Lake of Fire is the SECOND Death Adam's passed that on to his human family.

If Adam's sin/disobedience produced death in the whole of the human family, and it did, why is it so hard to recieve that Jesus' obedience produced "justification unto life" in the whole of the human family?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by crakjak

If Adam's sin/disobedience produced death in the whole of the human family, and it did, why is it so hard to recieve that Jesus' obedience produced "justification unto life" in the whole of the human family?

He certainly did it is available to and for all I chose life instead of death. Heaven instead of Hell.

[chseeads]

Originally Posted by crakjak

If Adam's sin/disobedience produced death in the whole of the human family, and it did, why is it so hard to recieve that Jesus' obedience produced "justification unto life" in the whole of the human family?

Because everybody that's born of woman is born of the flesh, and thereby inherets Adam's nature and is born into sin. If you're born a human, you are subject death, just as is the whole human family.

But, indeed through Jesus there is justification unto life, but only to those who are born into His family. If you're not born into Adam's family, you don't inheret anything from him. Likewise, if you're not born into Jesus' family, you don't inheret anything from Him. That's why we must be born again.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Lake of Fire is the SECOND Death Adam's passed that on to his human family.

ENDLESS PUNISHMENT OF HEATHEN ORIGIN (Greek mythology)

When the doctrine of endless punishment began to be taught in the Christian Church, it was not derived from the Scriptures, but from the heathen converts to Christianity, who accepted Christ, but who brought with them into their new church that doctrine which had for centuries been taught in heathen lands, but which neither Moses nor Christ accepted. And having received the idea from heathen tradition, it was natural that the early Christians should transfer it to the Bible, and seek to find it there.

That heathen invented this doctrine is undeniable. Much of the Christian understanding of Hell has more to do with Greek mythology than anything from the Bible.

Says Cicero" "It was on this account that the ancients invented those infernal punishments of the dead, to keep the wicked under some awe in this life, who without them, would have no dread of death itself."

Says Polbius, the Greek historian: "The multitude is ever fickle and capricious, full of lawless passions and irrational and violent resentments. There is no way left to keep them in order but by the terrors of future punishment, and all the pompous circumstances that attend such fiction! On which account the ancients acted, in my opinion, with great judgment and penetration, when they contrived to bring those notions of the gods and a future state into the popular belief."

Strabo, the Greek geographer and philosopher, says: "it is impossible to govern women and the gross body of the people, and to keep them pious, holy and virtuous, by the precepts of philosophy. This can only be done by the fear of the gods, which is raised and supported by ancient fictions and modern prodigies." And again he says: "The apparatus of the ancient mythologies was an engine which the legislators employed as bugbears to strike a terror into the childish imagination of the multitude."

This horrible heathen dogma sought entrance into the Christian church in vain for the first three centuries after Christ, and though here and there a heathenized Christian announced it, it did not become an accredited Christian doctrine till after more than five centuries. Dr. Edward Beecher candidly confesses that as late as three hundred years after Christ it had hardly obtained a foothold.

He says: "What, then, was the state of facts as to the leading theological schools of the Christian world in the age of Origen and some centuries after? It was, in brief, this: There were at least six theological schools in the church at large. Of these six schools, one, and only one, was decidedly and earnestly in favor of the doctrine of future eternal punishment. One was in favor of the annihiliation of the wicked. Two were in favor of the doctrine of universal restoration on the principles of Origen, and two in favor of universal restoration on the principles of Theodore of Mopsuestia."
That is to say, here were four times as many Universalist theological schools, where clergymen were educated, as there were schools in which endless punishment was taught, even as late as A. D. 300. But from that time onward, as darkness increased, the heathen idea was more and more transferred to the sacred page, till it entirely overlaid and obscured the truth. and it was not until the light of the Reformation began to dawn that the profane inscriptions of heathen tradition were erased from the palimpsest of the Scriptures, so that the meaning of the inspired authors could be apprehended. (JW Hanson)

[Sister Alvear]

seems to me Daniel said eternal punishment...everlasting it might have been...